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[00:00:00] Laurin: Hello, friends, and welcome to the curiously wise podcast. I'm so happy to have Hollie Warnick here with me today. We have recently become acquaintances and, and I think we're to becoming friends pretty quickly. And I'm really excited to just have a wonderful fun chat with Hollie.
And I'm going to just ask if you would Hollie, to introduce yourself to our listeners.
[00:01:06] Hollie: I am Hollie Warnick and I am a mother of four. I am a behavioral kinesiologist Reiki master. I work with energy. I love doing healing processes with people, breaking through, transforming with them. And I am also an author, a very recent thing, and also recently a podcast host. So just brand. I do artwork.
I am in the process of creating Oracle cards as well. I got journals out there and some online coursework. I just love spirituality. And I love working with spirituality in that realm in a playful way. So there's a little short intro of me.
[00:01:42] Laurin: That's great. yeah.
You've got so many beautiful projects that are bursting right now. And it's amazing to me cause I, just love the, the energy of your work. I think the first time we talked was just before your journey. Released in January . And you're coming out with another journal and got the Oracle cards working. And so creativity is something I love to talk about. And I know that you work closely with spirit, with your guides, , with the energy in receiving your creative work. So could you just talk about that process a little bit?
[00:02:19] Hollie: So creativity for me that I get little hits an inspiration throughout the day, little ideas come in and, and it's not to say that's everything. When I get into that flow state, there's a lot of ideas that come through that want to be birthed through me. And this year has been really big of like finally letting those through there's been enough personal work or things that I let go of that it can just come through.
So I like to get into a flow state. For that to show up. So how I do that is follow those little hits and inspiration. So whether for me, that's a lot of like dancing, letting that through with some good beads and, and movement and rhythm. And that's also me. Frankly, like listening to my crystals, listening to my plants, my plants have told me their names and, you know, part of me is like, wow, what a crazy person I am.
But when I allow myself to kind of go with that, that can be part of the creative process. Like, well, that plant wants to go by Bonnie, not body and Clyde, but Bonnie, which is totally a name of one of my plants. But when I allow those like seemingly silly things to show up in my life, that for some reason, That's to my creative process.
So I live in the desert and I do a walk every morning and , it ends up being a walking meditation because I ended up meeting my spirit guys. I ended up hearing things in my mind from rocks, which again, maybe I sound crazy, but this is part of spiritual play.
[00:03:43] Laurin: We are kindred spirits.
[00:03:44] Hollie: Okay. I'm just like the rocks be telling me stuff.
And I'm like warn the snakes I'm coming. Because again, I live in the desert there's diamond back, so that kind of stuff. And sometimes I worry on the trails. So I was like, well, if I can hear the rocks, I'll just tell them to warn the snakes I'm coming. So I don't have to run into those snakes. I don't want to get that.
So. Playing in those kinds of fields has really pumped up my spirituality, my creativity and other areas. So those are some fun, silly things I do to get into flow, state dancing allowing things to come in. And sometimes when I'm on my walk, it'll be different kind of spirit guides. And sometimes it's people I know who are alive that show up and I try to have a conversation if that's possible.
And I'm really thoughtful and careful about. What kind of thoughts and spirits I'm entertaining? So it may not sound like that because apparently I'm talking to my plants. Right. But I do choose what I feel it is I vibe and I do have a process where if I feel that that's not a spirit, I want hanging around, I have a process of, okay.
That you need to go. I try to keep it light and playful. And that brings in some of my creativity. And another thing with the creativity is really just getting in front of your medium. So whether that's the computer for writing and typing or that's paints or You know, color markers. I have four little kids and I can in front of paper a lot and I get the scraps of their papers and I can rearrange those, so here's for something playful for people.
I had a set up of all these papers my kids had used and I'm doing air quotes because they'll scribble a little in a little corner and then that paper is done. They don't want to use it. Mom gave me a clean piece of paper. So I ended up with all these scratch papers, seemingly, but it's fun. One time I just was ripping one up and it just stacked.
To some fun little rainbow thing, and I re glued it onto some paper and I thought, well, that's pretty a nice and just kind of thanked that piece of art and let it go. And their cycle bed. But I had some fun with it. So not being attached to what we create either or not having to have it come in certain parameters. So that's part of how I stay in flow and be creative and just let things come out.
[00:05:56] Laurin: So I just got goosebumps, which is spirit talking to me when you talked about not having it come in particular parameters, not hemming it in. And I think that's something that. I know, I forget. It's like you get focused on getting something done the way it's supposed to get done instead of letting it be messy and see what happens.
So I really love that aspect. I also really love that you get your body involved because that's something that. Again, I forget to do, I can sit at the desk most of the day on the computer or doing this kind of work or whatever. And I just, I forget to get up and move and dancing is one of The ways I do that, but I tend to do that when the house is empty and my husband works from home part-time too. So it's not empty very often.
[00:06:41] Hollie: You gotta get your dance on. Huh?
[00:06:43] Laurin: Yeah. Yeah. I I have a group of friends that
we usually have dinner with on Fridays, and we used to have dance parties pretty regularly, and we're all in our fifties and sixties. And, and it was always, of course, just the women dancing guys, standing around drinking their beers.
[00:06:56] Hollie: Right. Right. Come on
[00:06:58] Laurin: I don't, I don't get that, but that's, one of the things I really missed about the pandemic was that that group dancing it's a very I guess ceremonial, it's a bonding that, that doesn't happen.
In other words and women are particularly, drawn to those sort of community bonding things. I think I know. I certainly am. I love that community of women. It's different than the community. Women and men, and it's a way that we don't often gift ourselves with. So that body movement is a way that think I use that pretty often.
I'll walk with somebody or, you know, we'll, we'll go on a hike together or something, but I love that you just bring it in every day. You take a walk every morning and you know that that's Yeah.
lovely. I live in Virginia. The weather is Mostly dreadful.
[00:07:42] Hollie: Hm.
[00:07:43] Laurin: It's either a hot and humid or cold and rainy or so I try to take advantage of those days where it is nice.
But so I really love, I love that. you talk about what's the phrase you use with kinesiology? Yeah.
Tell me what that is. Cause I don't, I'm very curious. I don't know what that means.
[00:07:59] Hollie: Right. Yeah, this is actually my favorite topic. I've been working with this modality for over 20 years. So there was one point in my life where I said, I need to do some personal work. I'm struggling. And I jumped into this modality. I love it. So behavioral kinesiology is part behavioral health part applied.
These. Date, which is muscle testing and then another part spirituality or your belief system. And so those three components comprise this healing facilitation. So I bring in behavioral health concepts. So that's kind of, you know, maybe childhood development just depends on what the client needs, but you know, just those aspects of learning, cognitive.
Therapy. I'm not at all a therapist in that way, but these are concepts that are universal. So I like to bring those on. And then the apply kinesiology that muscle testing helps people bypass their ego. So I often do it partnered in person. And if I'm on a zoom call, which is very often since the pandemic I muscle testing over here and that's a tap into the energy instead of, you know, me speaking a lot of words about what's going on.
Oh, well he did this. She said that I went this way and it was their fault blame, and all these judgements coming out of my mouth. This apply can easier. Muscle testing taps into bypasses, all of that and gets to the core of it, taps into your heart instead of the chatter and gets down to the bottom of the situation has access because your heart has access to all your other systems that are of your body.
I've worked with people In this capacity with behavioral kinesiology that are experiencing arthritis, I had a guy who was afraid to fly on planes and we worked through his fear plane, cause he had got a new job. He needed to be on planes and he says, I don't know how I'm gonna work out this new job and work through that with this applied kinesiology.
And, you know, there's other stories, but I also like to bring people's belief into it because as soon as we get down to maybe an a core issue, so maybe I have a fear of wearing pink pants. I just can't do it every time I wear them. I feel inferior. Everyone's better than. And it all turns out. It was one comment that my sister suppose that this isn't real, supposedly my sister made you look fat in those pink pants or something now we'll just never wear them.
And when we get down to that, we can release that off. And, and I'm being kind of flippant with that example, but there are really deep trauma wounds that we can get to without having to relive or re-experience. We're totally divulge every detail we name it. And then we can uproot it. This work is like pulling weeds out of a garden.
We only pull out the things you don't want. And we like to get the root at like by the handle so you can get almost all the route, right? So the more we name it, the better handle we get on it. And we pull that out. We replace it or let it fill in with that person's belief system, all of their. The light and true things, the love and peace things that they believe in or whatever, inspires them, whatever touch moves, and inspires them, replace it with that.
So there's an uprooting and then there's it's like gardening, spiritual gardening.
[00:11:05] Laurin: Yeah.
[00:11:07] Hollie: So yeah, helping people release old programming is kind of that in a nutshell, the, does that make sense?
[00:11:13] Laurin: Oh Yeah. totally. Totally. I don't use muscle testing. I've been trained to do a little bit of it, , I feel energy with the palms of my hands. So when I'm working with somebody, whether they're here in my office or by zoom, which is like you said, pretty much all I do these days I caught revealing, like revealing what the root causes.
And then, and like you said, you name it. You, you can, you can see it. You can feel it. You can not feel it so much. Actually. I like to not have to have
[00:11:38] Hollie: Right. No reliving.
[00:11:39] Laurin: Right. Well, what I tell them is you get to, you get to release the pain, but keep the wisdom.
[00:11:45] Hollie: Yes.
[00:11:45] Laurin: That's sort of the way I do what you're talking about.
I Love how we all have our own way of doing the work of releasing pain, basically. And helping people plant something better.
[00:11:56] Hollie: Yeah. Get out of suffering and into, creativity mode or just,
[00:12:00] Laurin: Yeah. I mean, a lot of it is how do you want to create your life? it's interesting. I love how all this stuff comes together and everybody has sort of their own way of doing it, but it's, it's at its root. It's helping people feel better that they can live a better, more joyful life.
And so I love talking to people about, about the healing work. tell us about your journey. Because I know you've published one and you got a dream journal. You said that's coming out. It's in the editorial process right now,
[00:12:27] Hollie: Yeah, it's all written. It's been written for a while and I did drawings in there, so that, that was super fun for me. And I love bringing that to people. So what I did release in January at the end of June, Is the Hollywood journal. I've done this fun little playful thing where I've kind of branded Hollywood.
So my name is spelled with an E instead of a Y. And then would, is like I would do that, you know, w O U L D so Hollywood. And I've got some funny little YouTubes about that. I've got my podcast, Hollywood podcasts, but yes, I created this journal after I created the podcast. I at spirit came in and. Okay, well, you need to write a journal and I'm like, well, what, what do I call it?
And then it tied somehow perfectly in with Hollywood. And it's these, it gets you to do some silly things. Some, playful things that maybe you wouldn't expect out of a journal that maybe you wouldn't do. Normally this journal is to prompt you. If that's what it is. Journal prompts that gets you kind of thinking outside of the box gets you interacting with yourself.
And in some cases, the outside world in ways that maybe you don't usually it's to help people go deeper with their journaling or to get started, it's not like super daunting, like, okay, right away. We're going to jump into your childhood trauma and no, no, no. It's questions like. what was your favorite holiday season and what did, what traditions did you have?
So there's, you know, that's kind of a, a light playful, but there are some in there, like who, and what is God to you? is that your higher self? Is that others that an outside of you deity and what's your relationship to them and kind of in gentle ways that sneak around the. Conscious have to do it right.
Maybe left brain thinking and gets you to be using your right brain being playful. There's there's even a finish your own recipe in there. There's a create your own mantra. And I actually have drawings in there too, for people To participate with, finish the drawing, color, the drawing, tell us how you feel about the drawing.
So I just, I want people to get in tune with themselves cause there's a lot of healing inside. I can't, when I'm in a session, I'm not doing the healing, right. The person is doing their healing. I facilitate that work. I just kind of bring in the tools. And so that's what this journal is. Yeah. On some level, like a copy of me that people can work with me and healing and I'm not there and they work in a capacity that's comfortable for them.
There's a few places to draw. It is mostly a writing journal and a little bit of. Good for you stuff in the beginning and a little pat on the back at the end. And it was really fun to write. It's got my rainbow drawing on the front. I just, I want to bring light to the world and this was another way to do that.
So just, yeah, go grab it. If you're interested.
[00:15:09] Laurin: I try to get my clients to journal and most of them won't. So I may, I may like go here's a playful journal.
[00:15:15] Hollie: Yeah. Yeah. I've had people open it and say, oh, I thought this was going to be hard, but I don't have to go in any particular order. It's not like, you know, there's no set time limit. I tried to make as little rules around it as possible.
[00:15:27] Laurin: When I was a kid, we would get these diaries that had the little locks on them,
and they had the dates or you had to write it in, you know, you're supposed to write it every day. And it was like, it lasted about two days. And then it was like, until. Yeah.
I love journaling.
I'm sure. Because you're doing a journal that you already journal or
[00:15:46] Hollie: Avid avid.
[00:15:47] Laurin: Yeah.
I started doing it in high school and as part of a theater class, we had to keep a journal and I kept doing it all the way through my early twenties, which was sort of a very tumultuous time in my life. It is for most people, but I also had family stuff going on, but I had to deal with.
But I found it to be a wonderful way to understand what I was feeling, what I was thinking, because I would get so lost in the emotions and frankly, the hormones, when you're, when you're in that age, you don't know what's you, what's not you. And everything seems like it's coming at you.
[00:16:22] Hollie: Super real. Yeah. It's
[00:16:23] Laurin: Yeah.
[00:16:24] Hollie: And then all of a sudden it doesn't matter.
[00:16:27] Laurin: I used to write long letters to my parents that I never actually let them have, I just needed to get it out, And I found it very therapeutic, but I also found it illuminating for me because, and to this day, I often don't know what I'm thinking or feeling until I see it on the page. 'cause I, I just allow whatever to come out, comes out and that's, that's why I tried to get my clients to use it because I think we often don't really know what's going on inside.
And as healers, we start to tune into that and it's part of the healing process for sure. And I think all healers have had to go through the healing process.
[00:17:03] Hollie: Okay. If you haven't. Wow.
[00:17:05] Laurin: Yeah. I don't know how you do that. for me, it's, it's always been a really good healing tool. And I love that you bring the playfulness to it.
Cause like I said, I tend to be pretty serious and I try actually, I don't think I am as much, but I've been pretty serious my whole life trying to be the good girl and good mom do everything. Right. And now, now I'm like,
[00:17:24] Hollie: Yeah, what's good anymore. Look for that label out.
[00:17:28] Laurin: Well, I'm going to just have fun. so when did you come to journaling?
[00:17:31] Hollie: So at age eight, I was gifted a journal from my grandparents on that birthday, which is how I grew up. It was a pivotal birthday. I got baptized. I was a full member of my church, so it's a big deal. and I got this journal. I didn't have a lock and I really wanted one with the lock. When I was a kid, I wanted it to feel like it's secure.
Why didn't I get one with the locks? You know, there's like fake keys that
[00:17:52] Laurin: Yes, right.
[00:17:53] Hollie: Everything, spider keys. So my mom created like a Velcro that went around. So I
[00:17:58] Laurin: That's a good mom,
[00:17:59] Hollie: Open a check. I mean, you could take the whole thing off, obviously anybody could get in there, but luckily I was the youngest sister, so I mean, I don't think my older sister was interested in getting into my journal, but I have been journaling ever since.
And it's funny. I actually read out of my journal on my podcast, my first inspiration, I sat down for the first podcast episode and said like, okay, God, what am I supposed to do here? And it was like, read out of your journal. Okay, I'll do that. All right. And thus I did. And what it ends up being is an inspiration for people see what they can write in their journal and see like, oh, that's the awkward things that you can get out or, you know, and I don't know how else it's inspiring people, but if you're wondering what goes on a journal, that's on my podcast.
But journaling has been that process of figuring out how I feel. Getting it out of me, to me, journaling is a lot of it's up in your head. It's spinning around. You can think about it all night on your way to sleep and it'll pop right back up in the morning. Sometimes if you get it out of the mind and put it onto a piece of paper, you've brought it from one realm to another realm and you could do a little more, a little more power once it's physical.
I'm a bit advocate of burning out. Some journaling, you know, if you have something really ugly, that you're really, oh, I don't want anyone to see that. Go ahead and burn it. If some really intense feelings, I processed a lot of anger through writing and yeah. In fact, can we share like a really fun exercise for people
[00:19:22] Laurin: Yeah, please, please.
[00:19:24] Hollie: So whatever emotions really hard for you. So maybe it's, I don't want to deal with my sadness or my, for me, it was anger often. Like it's not okay to be angry. And so I would write that. Here's how I feel. Here's who I'm angry at. Here's the words I want to say to them. And gosh, then you can start judging sometimes when you see that on paper, like, oh, look how I scribbled.
Look how intensely I drew and the words I was using. Oh. So what you want to do after you get it all out of your body onto the paper is you take it to a place where no one can hear you because you're going to read it out loud. And when you read it out loud, that's another transference of energy.
And another way to bring it into this round.
You speak it with all the emotion. Oh yeah. Read it out loud. Make sure no one's around. You don't want to like pass that energy onto them. And with all the emotion you can and then after that you burn it and you put it in the fire wherever you get to burn it safely.
[00:20:15] Laurin: Yes.
[00:20:15] Hollie: And you've watched the entire thing burn.
Totally transmute from one physicality to another you've changed status, right? It's burning into little pieces. There's smoke coming off. You have taken it from your brain, put on a paper, spoken to the loud, and now it's burned into some other form, you know, thank you earth. Please do something better with that.
Right.
[00:20:36] Laurin: Yeah,
[00:20:37] Hollie: Very therapeutic experience. So I recommend that.
[00:20:41] Laurin: Yeah. That's great. I, I have, I think I've done all, but the reading it out loud. Cause I never want to like hear that stuff, I love journaling because it actually creates perspective. Just the physical act of getting it on a piece of paper. You can hold it up like this and go, you know, okay, now I can see it and I can put it at arms
[00:20:58] Hollie: So well said
[00:20:59] Laurin: And that's something.
[00:21:00] Hollie: It forever or I can burn it up.
[00:21:02] Laurin: I can burn it up.
Yeah. Yeah. I have done the burning part of it, for sure. And, and that's just a little piece that I had to that just to add to your wonderful ceremony there is, I asked the earth to transmute it into love and send it back. To whoever I was angry at her sad about, or if I don't want to send it back to, if it's not a particular person, it's something just bigger than just send it to whoever needs it.
And so that's, for me, that's always sort of like forgiving myself for feeling that way and offering it as a gift. So, yeah. So I just tack
[00:21:36] Hollie: That offering is a gift. Yes, please like repurpose that energy when we give things part that's. Another part of the creativity idea is like we repurpose things, so, okay. You had this way that you were, that helped you survive all these years and. It doesn't know how to function anymore. Let's give that part a new job.
Instead of looking for ways, people are out to get me. Let's look for ways that people are out to help me, you know, and just repurposing energy. I love that. Thank you for bringing that piece back in. He must be a
[00:22:04] Laurin: A collaboration.
[00:22:05] Hollie: That's right?
[00:22:08] Laurin: There's two other things I want to talk about one. I heard on your podcast with your Polson, who is our common connection. You talking about Oracle cards. Have a collection of Oracle cards that I love. And I, like, I was telling you before we started that, I have to like, say, Hmm, those are wonderful, but I don't need them.
[00:22:28] Hollie: Stay on the shelf, little cards.
[00:22:29] Laurin: What am I going to do with that? You know, the 12th deck of Oracle cards I have gotten to where I give away the ones that I don't work with very much, I'll offer them as a gift to somebody, but you. At least paying it for a little bit, but tell us about like, what's the theme of your, of your Oracle cards.
and how has the process of creating those?
Because I'm just fascinated by that too.
[00:22:51] Hollie: It started last year. So in 2021, it was finally okay for me to buy Oracle cards. I was listening to a podcast and a woman was talking about maybe the dog star and the, the Jekyll from Egyptian. History And I, for some reason it was inspired. Okay, I'm going to buy these cards.
So I bought them. Those came in, I thought, wow, this is beautiful. Kind of started that process. And then I was at a TJ Maxx because I liked shopping. There mom. I don't know.
[00:23:21] Laurin: You never know what you're going to find.
[00:23:22] Hollie: No. And just what I found, another set of cards. I never expected this. I think it's sort of a tarot deck, but it was also like a playing card deck because I grew up it wasn't safe to do any cards.
So you don't do article cards, you don't do taro cards. And, and that would be like, oh, the Dowdle or something. And turns out everyone news alert. It is not, you break whatever you bring to the cards. That's what you get out of the card. Sit on some level, you
[00:23:46] Laurin: Yes.
[00:23:47] Hollie: So. These cars shows up and I thought, oh, I'll get these for my sister there.
Jane Austin theme she'll feel, think they're fun. And I'm like, also, why would she want a tarot deck? She's not into that. You know? And I can't make judgements for other people, but I brought them home. And I thought I realized rather is that they were also, for me, I'm like, oh, okay. I guess I'm starting a collection.
And after using those not very much, I realized, oh, I'm creating an Oracle deck. I think that's why I bought those. And this is what's happening. So the process has been very fun. It's. With the drawings of the cards coming through. So I also that's another medium I use. It's not just, I like to write it's I like to paint and draw specifically.
So these essentially spirits would come through and they had these clever names and then I got to draw them. So I am not super rigid when it comes to creativity. Sometimes their picture would come through. I would see how they looked at the first, one of them that came through was this kind of water looking Sprite, spirit with swirls of, I don't know, energy around them colors and a little less solid of a human form.
So I drew that on a piece of paper and drew this one and that one and just they're really inclusive spirits. I don't know. They'd come through in a really diverse ways. They don't have to follow certain rules, which is again, really fun.
So pictures would come through of them and I'd get those onto paper. I have a special book where they all are hanging out right now and they're hanging out in the spirit realm too. I was kinda like, oh, come in, come in here and like grab them out of the air. Then there's also, I realized that there was kind of a process that would come after the cart.
So, you know, you could pull a card and then you go to this book where all the information is, and that was information about this card and white popped for the person, why they pulled it, why it showed up and a descriptor of that spirit that was coming through. And then also. The healing process that you could go through.
So I wanted that to be available. I'm a healer or that, you know, title healer, I help facilitate
[00:25:44] Laurin: Facilitator. Yes.
[00:25:45] Hollie: I'm a facilitator. And I wanted that process to be with each card as well. And it was very natural for it to come through me. And then also at the end of that and mantra, so kind of the three piece. So some cards have their mantra right away. Some cards have their description right away. Some cards I'd even finished drawing and they would have. It would just be a descriptor. I had their title and I wrote what they were. And to me, I, I kind of was trying to put in a box and judged how these spirits were coming through.
And if they were real spirits or if I had created them or if they were a part of me or they were part of the people that are going to pull these cards and do they match archetypes. And I was trying to put rules and laws around. But it turns out as I'm writing the beginning of this Oracle deck book, it's a description of these spirits.
Are you, they always have been they're aspects of you. They are old and they are new they're brand new created, and you create them as you pull them and they are ancient and have the knowledge that's been around forever. And when you're in that flow state, that kind of information just comes through and it.
Fit the norm of, well, they came from a certain time or whatever expectation I set. It's just kind of, there's no rules holla. You thought there were rules and there's not. So,
[00:26:56] Laurin: Yeah.
[00:26:58] Hollie: So they come through and, different pieces show up at different times and it's been a really fun creating those and keeping them in a little spot.
So those are still working their way out. For some reason, all my journals needed to come out before that and this collaboration book and the podcast had to be started. They are being patient with me and I guess I'm being patient with them. So it's really fun spirits coming through that.
[00:27:23] Laurin: Yeah, it's a, it's an amazing time of birthing new things right now. I'm finding a lot of people that I'm talking with have either like re-imagine their businesses or re-imagined the way they work with clients or re-imagined what their offerings will be. And
[00:27:39] Hollie: No rules.
[00:27:40] Laurin: Coming no rules and it's coming rapid fire. And that's after this last couple of years of, I feel like it was an incubation time.
[00:27:48] Hollie: I feel like that's a great descriptor
[00:27:50] Laurin: Yeah. And you know, you just going to sit here for a while. It's like sitting on eggs.
[00:27:55] Hollie: That's I didn't realize, but yeah, so true. Yes.
[00:27:59] Laurin: So I'm fascinated how really creativity is coming in to all of us and hopefully everybody's listening or at least acting on it. I completely reversed. my big program in 30 minutes, the other morning did not mean to, but I just got inspired a lot of, it was you need to stop being so structured and let it flow the way it needs to flow. Here's the beginning, here's at the end. There's, you're going to see them a lot of times in the middle and you know, it's, it's going to be what it needs to be in the moment. It's like, oh, I can do that.
[00:28:34] Hollie: Right. It's not kind of fun too. It's like, well, I don't know. What's coming. It's it's a treat for me and a treat for the person I'm working with.
[00:28:40] Laurin: Yeah.
I tell my clients often, okay. We've talked about what, you know, what's hurting or what you want to clear. I have no idea. What's going to show up until we get you, on the table and, see what shows up. so that's my favorite way to work anyway.
So it was like, oh good. I don't have to be structured and have all this stuff that I've seen other people do with their programs
[00:29:00] Hollie: Formats and yeah, it's got to, we, we didn't go over this yet. We have to get over
[00:29:04] Laurin: Right. Yeah.
[00:29:05] Hollie: Maybe not.
[00:29:06] Laurin: No, I'm not.
a linear thinker anyway. So trying to do something linear for me, which let me tell you when I was learning how to plot a book, that was the hardest part.
[00:29:15] Hollie: Oh
[00:29:17] Laurin: So hard.
[00:29:18] Hollie: I can imagine this.
[00:29:19] Laurin: It took me years
[00:29:20] Hollie: The middle of the ending. And then let me get back to the beginning. And then there's a little bit of the very end,
[00:29:27] Laurin: And I never wrote the first chapter.
[00:29:28] Hollie: It's not
[00:29:29] Laurin: Until the second draft. Cause I didn't know that I had skipped over at the beginning, you know, it's like,
[00:29:35] Hollie: Showed up later.
[00:29:36] Laurin: Shut up later. So yeah. So I love that. And tell us just a little bit about the collaboration project.
[00:29:43] Hollie: I had the opportunity to be a part of a collaboration with the divine book. two parts of it were really what drew me in. I have family members who have struggled with suicidal ideation. I've had my experience with that and that's a major passion for me. if you've had that struggle, my heart goes out to you to send you love.
Because that is a dark place to be. It can feel very lonesome and hopeless. So this book, the proceeds of this book go to the centers of hope where people can go to receive relief from some of these stresses, including suicidal ideation. And so that, to me, it was a passion project.
And that way I feel. , that was a great way for me to help support that going on for people. And, and, you know, obviously I do my work as well to help people with it, but it's so much broader than one-on-one that can be its own pandemic in the world of, , what's going on.
That was one reason I want to be a part of this project. But the other thing is that it's collaboration with divine. And I wanted to get my story out there about how I work with the divine, because when I grew up it was very structured. God looks a certain way. God speaks a certain way. You can say certain things to God.
You can speak to God at certain times. You can't at other times. And here's God's gender. Here's how God's voice sounds. Rules about how to interact with the divine. And as I grew older, I realized for me. It's not just one person. It's not just one specific gendered person. It's not they don't only show up after I've prayed appropriately.
There's not a rigid way that this works again. I'm like just all the rule books were thrown out.
[00:31:16] Laurin: Yeah, love
[00:31:18] Hollie: In that book, I get to share this story of how I work the divine and, and ways I tried to work with the divine that just kind of was a belly flop, but also a learning experience and a way to.
The foundation maybe to build upon just kind of something to step up from. And I share that story and there, and I get to share it with 17 other authors, 17 other women, in fact who talk about how they've collaborated with the divine. Some do touch on there. Maybe not a brush, but their experiences with suicidal ideation as well.
So it's a healing book and in fact, the cover, it's so beautiful. I'm going to show you now, but it's this wonderful geometric divinely guided design. That's meant to just look at the cover of the book and the healing to come through. So a really
[00:32:08] Laurin: I have read the whole book
[00:32:10] Hollie: Oh, good. Good for
[00:32:11] Laurin: Recommend it to anybody who is interested. It does. And I love that it was set up. So if there are these chapters that are a little more triggering, there's a little Phoenix symbol next to each one. So if you don't want to be triggered, you. just skip to the next one and maybe come back if you're led to but overall I find it well completely a very uplifting book, and I love how. Everybody has their own way of interacting with the divine of collaborating with the divine. And I think like you said, you were raised, I was raised in church. You know, there was a very specific, very rigid way of.
[00:32:45] Hollie: Oh, yeah.
[00:32:46] Laurin: Of interpreted not.
And, and it was interpreted by men. so it didn't really ever resonate with me. I loved the music and I left the rest of it pretty much. I love that it is an example of Lots of different ways that people have interacted with the divine and yours may be completely separate new and different from those as well. I think we all come at it from our own experience in whatever way. In our best interest. I highly recommend I give that five stars, 10 stars, whatever,
[00:33:15] Hollie: Yeah, ladies.
[00:33:16] Laurin: Really good story. And it does Support such a good organization. That's I know it's being birthed. , go buy the book.
You will enjoy it
[00:33:23] Hollie: A
[00:33:23] Laurin: You will do a good deed as well.
[00:33:25] Hollie: Yeah. Raise your vibes because yeah, like you said, it overall very uplifting book and kind of scrubs out the corners of your psyche, a little with some of the harder stories it's like, oh, okay. I have a little bit of that inside too. And, you know, shed a tear and acknowledge some of that.
And you're uplifted by that.
[00:33:42] Laurin: And some of them, I have not had any brushes with. I have not personally had any suicidal ideation, but my father did. So it gave me some empathy and some insight that.
I didn't have before and that's super useful. So I'm, I'm very, I'm proud of y'all you did get, you didn't get.
[00:34:00] Hollie: Yay me. Yay. All those women who wrote in there. Thank you.
[00:34:03] Laurin: And that's another, you.
know, that's another case of women coming together in community collaborate in something that is very ceremonial. I mean, it is this, this sharing of wisdom. It really at its heart, it's a sharing of wisdom gained through experience I think. Pretty much the best thing that can happen these days is that we come together and share that wisdom part of why this is called curiously wise, because I get curious and I want your wisdom.
[00:34:30] Hollie: I was saying that I love the title of this curiously wise cause
[00:34:34] Laurin: Totally spirit driven. I was just giving it. I'm like really? Okay.
[00:34:39] Hollie: If that's what you say. Got it. I'll just follow.
[00:34:41] Laurin: I'll trust it. Yeah.
It's I like it. Cause it doesn't pin me into anything. There's no, you know, I can do whatever I want with it.
[00:34:48] Hollie: That's a little bit of the Hollywood too. I was just like, well, whatever I would do is cool.
[00:34:52] Laurin: Yeah. Just to finish up here cause I know that we're getting to the end here. I have some rapid fire questions that I like to
[00:34:59] Hollie: Okay.
[00:34:59] Laurin: Buddy though.
You
[00:35:00] Hollie: Know. Okay.
[00:35:01] Laurin: Long about this. Just whatever comes up first. Who is, or was the wisest person in your life?
[00:35:07] Hollie: Growing up, it was the mentor that taught me behavioral kinesiology. He helped rearrange my view on religion. He helped rearrange my view on God and not to necessarily his own views, although those were shared, but that It was open and it was up to me to find my way to divine and work with divine.
Whatever felt good for me, you know, one-on-one with God, it's not going to look like everybody else. And just give it, providing the tool for me, providing the healing. because without that, I don't know where I would've been. I would've been lost in some of my other stories and maybe not doing what I'm doing. So
[00:35:44] Laurin: Perfect. Lovely. What's your favorite self care practice?
[00:35:48] Hollie: We'll be dancing, but really close to being outside because for me, oh, yes, I love to be outside. So I'll say those two dancing outside, I guess.
[00:35:59] Laurin: Yeah, you can have more than one. And what lights you up when you're feeling down?
[00:36:03] Hollie: I am lucky to be in the presence of four beautiful spirits, the ages of 7, 8, 3, and four. So they have that magic of coming over with the hug, coming over with a random, I love you mom. And that will take me out of my pretend drama. Cause that's what you realize where I realized is like, oh, you know, that stuff doesn't really matter.
Here's somebody who loves me for who I am I think that that's what inspires me that I'm lovable, no matter the situation. And luckily I have this children that reflect that, you know, my spouse reflects that sometimes no, we try to reflect it to
[00:36:38] Laurin: Yes. Yes.
[00:36:40] Hollie: But yeah that'll bring me out of a a slump quite quickly.
[00:36:45] Laurin: Wonderful. And then my last one, your favorite mantra or affirmation?
[00:36:51] Hollie: Mm. I think it's simple, so hum, or just, I am kind of those you know, and a little bit of let it be just being present. And so, you know, there's kind of different ways to say it a little bit of amen. Just like let it be. So it is so Hong.
[00:37:06] Laurin: Okay, so home, I like that. it's been lovely having this conversation with you. I really enjoyed it. Can you let our listeners know where they can find you on.
[00:37:14] Hollie: Quite often on Instagram, it's It's Holly dot Warnick on Instagram, but I also have Holly warnick.com where you can find my courses. You can find connections to my books, my packages, and also find me on the Hollywood podcast. So guess who's going to be on my show, Laurin, so you can find us together over there. But yeah. Yeah, whatever social media suits you.
[00:37:38] Laurin: And those will all be in the show notes. So if you don't want to write it down or you don't remember the spelling that it'll all be available it's been really fun having this conversation with you today. And I hope we have many, many more ahead of us. And I want to thank our listeners for being here with us, joining us, collaborating with us and in creating this Beautiful. conversation.
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