[00:00:00] Laurin: Welcome to the Curiously Wise Podcast. I'm your host, Laurin Wittig. This podcast is all about honoring, sharing and celebrating the natural and experiential wisdom of my guests through curiosity provoking conversations, shared stories, and tips we've all gathered along this journey. And from time to time, I'll be sharing my own stories and my own wisdom in solo episodes.
Oh, and we'll be laughing. A lot. I invite you to join in the fun as we uncover the unique wisdom we each carry within us. Ready? Let's get curious.
Hello, friends and welcome to Curiously Wise. I'm Laurin Wittig, your host. And today I have in person even a good, good friend of mine, Denise Neveux, and she is a teacher. She's been my teacher for Reiki and esoteric healing and shamanism. I'm still working through some of those, all of them, I guess. but she's one of the wisest people I know. She's got so much knowledge and she's such a great teacher that she imparts knowledge with great ease and grace.
I'm not gonna introduce Denise. We're gonna let her unfold before your eyes. She's got so many things that she does and that she has studied, and she is a teacher by profession before you retired and teaching kids. So she's really good at managing things.
[00:01:31] Denise: Yes. Teaching Physical Education for 32 years.
[00:01:35] Laurin: Yeah. Woo. Yeah. but now I'm lucky cuz she's teaching this other stuff, these energetic modalities, systems that are just fabulous. So tell us first, how you came to even understand energy and how you came to be a healer.
[00:01:52] Denise: Well, actually the universe is what kind of stopped me in my tracks back in around ‘99-2000. And it was a health issue that surprised me came out of the blue. And I didn't wanna go on a lot of medicine. So one day somebody said, hey, I'm going to a Reiki practitioner. I was like, what's that?
So I just decided to go to see this particular Reiki practitioner. And she ended up being my Reiki master. So we did a lot of work and a lot of work that affected this particular health issue had to do with my inner power was given my power away to everybody. I didn't know that. And within, I think one day I walked in there after about a year and I said, I'm gonna be off all my meds in three years.
And I was. So, as I cleared all of these things throughout my life I started feeling energy. I had felt energy before, but I could feel it more than ever that I had ever experienced. And when I realized was the energy I feel worked from other people or from nature or from earthbound spirits and things like that.
And then I just continued. And one day I was laying down as my Reiki practitioner, Reiki master Patricia. My hand started to heat up as I'm laying on the table. I'm like, I kind of looked at it and I said, you know, I feel like we're in the wrong place. I should be standing beside the table. and you should be laying down. And that's how I just started taking Reiki classes.
[00:03:33] Laurin: Mm-hmm yeah. It's so when you feel energy, you talked about your hands heating up, which is yes. I'm always talking about energy with my hands. Yes. Because that's how I feel it as well. But you also feel energy from other people. Yes. I know. Just in day-to-day stuff. Yes. So how does that, how do you experience that?
[00:03:50] Denise: Well, depends on what kind of mood the person is in truthfully. I can tell I'm also very empathic, so I could go to the grocery store and if the person in front of me has a stomach ache, then I get a stomach ache.
And I was taught by my teacher to ask is this mine? And a lot of times the answer is, no, it is not mine. I'm picking it up. And that's how I could distinguish if it's me not feeling good. Or if it's somebody else.
[00:04:19] Laurin: Yeah. That's a powerful question. And I know that I wasn't aware of being an empath until probably until I met you.
Which was what? Four years ago or so? Yes. If you've been following it all, I've met a lot of the people that are showing up on my podcast through my Wise Women’s Circle that I ran for two years. Yes. And that was how I met Denise as well. So that's why I can say four years cuz that's about when it was, when we started that. I don't think I knew I was an empath until I started really talking to you and realized I always knew I was sensitive, but I thought I was just sensitive.
That people would tell me I cried too much. And having grown up in the kind of household that I did, I now realize that like, oh no, I always pick it up, everybody else's stuff. So this question that you ask yourself for empaths is probably the number one thing they need to start doing.
[00:05:06] Denise: That's correct. So if you feel energy or you feel a change in your physical body, like a headache or a stomach ache, or sometimes like your knee starts hurting out of the blue ask is this mine? And you get three answers actually. The first answer, yes, it is yours and it's nobody else's. The second answer is no, none of it is yours.
And third answer is yes and no, which means you already have a little bit of a stomach ache and it's drawing somebody else’s stomach pain, that energy, that energy towards you. So it's a little of both. So yes and no. How do you know what yes and no is? I think you can just feel it in your body.
[00:05:43] Laurin: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:05:44] Denise: You know when something's right, because your body goes, oh, that feels right. Mm-hmm and no is like, wow that doesn't feel right. Mm-hmm mm-hmm So you have to figure out what yes and no feels like to you.
[00:05:56] Laurin: And that requires paying attention to what you're experiencing inside as you ask that.
[00:06:01] Denise: Correct.
[00:06:01] Laurin: Because if you're not paying attention asking yes or no, it's not gonna pay off. So a lot of this is about doing the inner work to really tune into your own energy. Is that valid. And then learning how to discern. That's a word I'm still working on discern what's mine, what's yours.
And then learning how to let it go. And so do you have any like…
[00:06:24] Denise: Not mine? Yeah. and I just say, I take it outta my body and I throw it into a bucket of light and it goes to mother earth and it gets transformed. So nobody else picks it up.
[00:06:35] Laurin: Yeah. That's really good. So, that's what brought you to Reiki?
[00:06:39] Denise: Yes.
[00:06:40] Laurin: But you also have all these other modalities that you bring to your practice.
[00:06:44] Denise: Yes. I bought a CD from the ARE, which is in Virginia Beach and it said the word shaman on it and there was music and I was like, oh, looks interesting. So I bought it and I, it was in the middle of the afternoon. I put it in my stereo back in the day where we had CD players. I know
[00:07:08] Laurin: Back in the dark eighties. At least it wasn't vinyl.
[00:07:11] Denise: Hey, when I taught PE I would bring vinyl records out and my kindergartner would say, wow that's a big CD. And I just decided the music was making me sleepy. So I laid down on the couch and then all of a sudden, next thing I know, I went to another dimension. I didn't know what it was. And I saw a native American who's ended up to be one of my teachers and a vast like landscape and the music actually brought me there, how they had it compiled.
And the music brought me back and I had gone to a class and somebody says, you took a shamanic journey. And I said, what's that?
[00:07:52] Laurin: I did what?