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Transcript Interview Episode with Denise Neveux


[00:00:00] Laurin: Welcome to the Curiously Wise Podcast. I'm your host, Laurin Wittig. This podcast is all about honoring, sharing and celebrating the natural and experiential wisdom of my guests through curiosity provoking conversations, shared stories, and tips we've all gathered along this journey. And from time to time, I'll be sharing my own stories and my own wisdom in solo episodes.

Oh, and we'll be laughing. A lot. I invite you to join in the fun as we uncover the unique wisdom we each carry within us. Ready? Let's get curious.


Hello, friends and welcome to Curiously Wise. I'm Laurin Wittig, your host. And today I have in person even a good, good friend of mine, Denise Neveux, and she is a teacher. She's been my teacher for Reiki and esoteric healing and shamanism. I'm still working through some of those, all of them, I guess. but she's one of the wisest people I know. She's got so much knowledge and she's such a great teacher that she imparts knowledge with great ease and grace.


I'm not gonna introduce Denise. We're gonna let her unfold before your eyes. She's got so many things that she does and that she has studied, and she is a teacher by profession before you retired and teaching kids. So she's really good at managing things.


[00:01:31] Denise: Yes. Teaching Physical Education for 32 years.


[00:01:35] Laurin: Yeah. Woo. Yeah. but now I'm lucky cuz she's teaching this other stuff, these energetic modalities, systems that are just fabulous. So tell us first, how you came to even understand energy and how you came to be a healer.


[00:01:52] Denise: Well, actually the universe is what kind of stopped me in my tracks back in around ‘99-2000. And it was a health issue that surprised me came out of the blue. And I didn't wanna go on a lot of medicine. So one day somebody said, hey, I'm going to a Reiki practitioner. I was like, what's that?


So I just decided to go to see this particular Reiki practitioner. And she ended up being my Reiki master. So we did a lot of work and a lot of work that affected this particular health issue had to do with my inner power was given my power away to everybody. I didn't know that. And within, I think one day I walked in there after about a year and I said, I'm gonna be off all my meds in three years.

And I was. So, as I cleared all of these things throughout my life I started feeling energy. I had felt energy before, but I could feel it more than ever that I had ever experienced. And when I realized was the energy I feel worked from other people or from nature or from earthbound spirits and things like that.


And then I just continued. And one day I was laying down as my Reiki practitioner, Reiki master Patricia. My hand started to heat up as I'm laying on the table. I'm like, I kind of looked at it and I said, you know, I feel like we're in the wrong place. I should be standing beside the table. and you should be laying down. And that's how I just started taking Reiki classes.


[00:03:33] Laurin: Mm-hmm yeah. It's so when you feel energy, you talked about your hands heating up, which is yes. I'm always talking about energy with my hands. Yes. Because that's how I feel it as well. But you also feel energy from other people. Yes. I know. Just in day-to-day stuff. Yes. So how does that, how do you experience that?


[00:03:50] Denise: Well, depends on what kind of mood the person is in truthfully. I can tell I'm also very empathic, so I could go to the grocery store and if the person in front of me has a stomach ache, then I get a stomach ache.


And I was taught by my teacher to ask is this mine? And a lot of times the answer is, no, it is not mine. I'm picking it up. And that's how I could distinguish if it's me not feeling good. Or if it's somebody else.


[00:04:19] Laurin: Yeah. That's a powerful question. And I know that I wasn't aware of being an empath until probably until I met you.


Which was what? Four years ago or so? Yes. If you've been following it all, I've met a lot of the people that are showing up on my podcast through my Wise Women’s Circle that I ran for two years. Yes. And that was how I met Denise as well. So that's why I can say four years cuz that's about when it was, when we started that. I don't think I knew I was an empath until I started really talking to you and realized I always knew I was sensitive, but I thought I was just sensitive.


That people would tell me I cried too much. And having grown up in the kind of household that I did, I now realize that like, oh no, I always pick it up, everybody else's stuff. So this question that you ask yourself for empaths is probably the number one thing they need to start doing.


[00:05:06] Denise: That's correct. So if you feel energy or you feel a change in your physical body, like a headache or a stomach ache, or sometimes like your knee starts hurting out of the blue ask is this mine? And you get three answers actually. The first answer, yes, it is yours and it's nobody else's. The second answer is no, none of it is yours.


And third answer is yes and no, which means you already have a little bit of a stomach ache and it's drawing somebody else’s stomach pain, that energy, that energy towards you. So it's a little of both. So yes and no. How do you know what yes and no is? I think you can just feel it in your body.


[00:05:43] Laurin: Yeah. Yeah.


[00:05:44] Denise: You know when something's right, because your body goes, oh, that feels right. Mm-hmm and no is like, wow that doesn't feel right. Mm-hmm mm-hmm So you have to figure out what yes and no feels like to you.


[00:05:56] Laurin: And that requires paying attention to what you're experiencing inside as you ask that.


[00:06:01] Denise: Correct.


[00:06:01] Laurin: Because if you're not paying attention asking yes or no, it's not gonna pay off. So a lot of this is about doing the inner work to really tune into your own energy. Is that valid. And then learning how to discern. That's a word I'm still working on discern what's mine, what's yours.

And then learning how to let it go. And so do you have any like…


[00:06:24] Denise: Not mine? Yeah. and I just say, I take it outta my body and I throw it into a bucket of light and it goes to mother earth and it gets transformed. So nobody else picks it up.


[00:06:35] Laurin: Yeah. That's really good. So, that's what brought you to Reiki?


[00:06:39] Denise: Yes.


[00:06:40] Laurin: But you also have all these other modalities that you bring to your practice.


[00:06:44] Denise: Yes. I bought a CD from the ARE, which is in Virginia Beach and it said the word shaman on it and there was music and I was like, oh, looks interesting. So I bought it and I, it was in the middle of the afternoon. I put it in my stereo back in the day where we had CD players. I know


[00:07:08] Laurin: Back in the dark eighties. At least it wasn't vinyl.


[00:07:11] Denise: Hey, when I taught PE I would bring vinyl records out and my kindergartner would say, wow that's a big CD. And I just decided the music was making me sleepy. So I laid down on the couch and then all of a sudden, next thing I know, I went to another dimension. I didn't know what it was. And I saw a native American who's ended up to be one of my teachers and a vast like landscape and the music actually brought me there, how they had it compiled.


And the music brought me back and I had gone to a class and somebody says, you took a shamanic journey. And I said, what's that?


[00:07:52] Laurin: I did what?


[00:07:54] Denise: So then that was it. I followed Michael Harner and Sandra Ingerman and I started reading books. And Sandra Ingerman has this book on it's like shamanism for dummies, but actually it's not called that.


It's an awesome book. And I started taking journeys and I have a whole couple of journals filled with it. Yeah. And then I got lucky and I found Dana Robinson, who is my shamanic mentor. And I started taking classes and I just absolutely love it. Yeah. I love taking shamanic journeys.


It's a very powerful thing. If I don't know what to do about my life, I'll take a shamanic journey. If I have a client that's coming and I'm not sure usually cuz things pop in my head what to expect. If I come up with blank, I'll take a shamanic journey and it helps me get my ego out of the way.


[00:08:47] Laurin: Mm-hmm . Yeah.


[00:08:49] Denise: Shamanism is fantastic. It's what they call direct devination. In other words, instead of going through another individual to tell you about how you should be in this life, you go directly to the source mm-hmm and yeah, it's a power animal. Yeah. but they're also wise.


[00:09:10] Laurin: Yes. Oh, so wise. Yes. Yes. I came to shamanism sort of a roundabout way too. Yes. And had gotten books and learned to journey on my own. But I've recently started taking classes in it from Denise. She has so much more experience than I do. And she's much better about going and reading books. I like a teacher, you know, so, so I'm learning a lot more about just how it can be used as a healing modality for myself, but also for others.


And it's really fascinating. I love going on journeys, cuz it's like taking a trip to a different world. It is, and it is symbolic, and mythic, and extremely powerful. Things can happen very quickly on a shamanic journey that might take us weeks or months or years to work through in real life as my kids say.


[00:10:09] Denise: Yes. I think it was life changing for me. Reiki was life changing for me. Shamanism was life changing for me. And shamanism helped me figure out about earthbound spirits, I took a class dying and beyond and it was just one of the most fascinating classes I've ever taken.

Mm. I love all the classes mm-hmm but that kind of like, oh, and then we also took shamanism de possession.


[00:10:33] Laurin: You haven't offered that one yet?


[00:10:35] Denise: No, I haven't. You gotta do extraction for her. Yes, yes.


[00:10:41] Laurin: Have a couple that I got work up to, but it's like, oh, that sounds awesome. I don't know. It's like taking particularly the shamanic classes.


I've taken two with you now. It is like going to Disneyland was for my kids when they were little, it's just like, oh, this is like the best thing ever! It's just, I don't know. It's just fascinating. It taps into my whole imaginary world. but it's real. I mean, and that sounds weird.


Imagination is just a tool for manifesting, for bringing things into focus as far as I'm concerned. It's a huge tool. It's probably why I had so much fascination with American Indian culture as I was an anthropology student.


And when I worked at Jamestown settlement, which is a living history museum here in Williamsburg, that everybody should come visit. It was the Indian village that I was most fascinated with. So, I know I was told that I've been a shaman before, so that's probably why it sings to me.


[00:11:35] Denise: Yes. And that's a good point. I believe every student that comes to me or person of like mind that a lot of these techniques or things that we're doing to help an individual heal is we're just relearning it.


It's not a new thing to us. Right. We've done it. Whether a shaman or a medicine woman in and our life.


[00:12:00] Laurin: Yeah. Right, right. Yeah. I have come to think that books and classes are really more reminders for me. That's correct about things I've learned in other lifetimes.

And then there is my latest obsession with your classes. esoteric healing, soul focused esoteric healing. Yes. So that's fascinating in a whole different level.


[00:12:20] Denise: Yes, it is. So to just make it easy to understand it's like sacred geometry of the body. The earth is sacred geometry all over the place.


And so to find triangles in the body and help balance them. That's what esoteric healing is about. It's a lot more than just one triangle, but I'll give you an example of one triangle that would be the base chakra. And then it's adrenals that go with it and you make a triangle and you'll find that one point is not as strong.


And so that's what's making the imbalance and you wait till that gets the strength and then the triangle balances it out.


[00:12:55] Laurin: Yeah. It's a very complex in some ways, but simple in some ways modality of healing and I'm just fascinated by it. I was a geometry geek.


You know, that was my jam in math. And so it's bringing that sacred geometry into the healing process. Yes. And Denise and I both work similarly. Yes we do. In that we have a lot of different modalities that we've been trained in or are in my case continuing to be trained in but we also are intuitive.


We're very, very intuitive. So I think like me, you have systems and you go, oh, this is what system I need to use today for this. Correct. Or, yes, I'm using Reiki, but oh, I need to bring in a little bit of the shamanism in some way for this person today. And so it becomes, I refer to it as being kind of like a jazz musician, you know all these riffs, you play all these different things and you can kind of pick and choose which fits you want when you're jamming.


[00:13:49] Denise: Yes. That's a good analogy.


[00:13:50] Laurin: Yeah. I love that one cuz that's the only way I can really explain what I do. It's like I have all of these tools and it's like, which one works today? You also are a medium. Now, first of all, explain what a medium is for somebody who is…


[00:14:03] Denise: A medium communicates with those individuals that have transitioned into the light. With that also you are able to see or sense earthbound spirits. And most of them majority of them 9 out of 10 are the earthbound spirits that haven't transitioned to the light are actually exactly the way they were when they were on earth. Mm-hmm the other 10% are probably, you know, not fun.

[00:14:33] Laurin: Mm. Denise has a term she uses that is unfun. So I like that. I use that a lot now. I know something's unfun


[00:14:43] Denise: if you give them a stronger word than that, then it increases their power mm-hmm so I certainly don't wanna do that.


[00:14:49] Laurin: No, no. How did you learn that you could do that or did you just always know?


[00:14:54] Denise: Well, I was actually in a school and I was sitting in the office and this guy, a tall, tall man with a gray beard walked through the office and I looked around, I was sitting down, he walked behind me and then he walked out the door and I told the secretary, I said, who is that?


And she goes, who was what? I said that tall man with the blue jacket that just walked through. The secretary looked at me. I could tell by the look on her face that she didn't see it. And I was like, that was a man that walked through you didn't see it. And she goes, Nope. and I got up and I left. So, that was the first time I actually saw a earthbound spirit. I live in Virginia and there are civil war in whatever kind of war all over the place. And there are places I just can't go. It's just too much. Yeah. Yeah. There is a terminology called being a psychopump and being a psychopump is an individual that helps those transition into the light.


Mm-hmm not all of them want to go. But if I come out of the hospital, I will turn around and I will see sometimes there's two people who have died or there maybe there could be sometimes a dozen. Mm. And which is why I don't like going to hospital very much, but they follow me and they follow me or any, I don't know how they know mm-hmm


So before I get in my car, I have a conversation, I have assigned a special angel to assist me in helping them transition. So I don't bring 'em home with me. Yeah.


[00:16:30] Laurin: Yeah.


[00:16:30] Denise: That's what I do. That's almost like a it's not a daily thing for me, but it happens quite often.


[00:16:37] Laurin: Tell them the story of my mother after she passed.


[00:16:40] Denise: I can't remember what she said to me.


[00:16:43] Laurin: She was pissed off at you cuz you had helped me do something I can't.


[00:16:48] Denise: Yes.


[00:16:50] Laurin: My mom was a force to be reckoned with, but yeah, she showed up in your front yard, I think when you were out doing yard work. How did you get rid of her? Do you?


[00:16:54] Denise: Yes. Yeah. I didn't, I didn't. I just try and help them understand that they're not here anymore. And sometimes if they don't transition into the light, they just have a few more things. They might go to their loved ones and finish some work that they didn't. But I encourage them most of the time and I usually send an angel with them to make sure that they go where they need to go. and not all of 'em goes, but she did. She chilled. Yeah.


[00:17:24] Laurin: She actually showed up in this room a few days after she passed. Yes. Because she needed her sister to have a message. And I have done a little bit of this work, but only with family members.


[00:17:35] Denise: Most of the time I can tune them out, but then there are sometimes they just, I had done a mediumship reading over the phone and I was driving back from the store and there was a man on my car.


Oh, I remember this. Yeah. So, and he was banging on my car and I actually heard the bang like loud, and I couldn't understand why the cars were on me weren't tooting, there's a man on your car. So, you know, I opened up my sunroof and now I could see him and I'm like…


[00:18:04] Laurin: It's a wild and willy life you made.


[00:18:09] Denise: Yeah. So I pulled up in my garage and I stood at the door before getting in the kitchen. Usually, I don't even let him in that freely, but he's on my car. And I was like, what? He said, I want you to give my children a message. And I'm like, okay you need to find them, give them a way to find me other than I'm not gonna do that.


Mm-hmm , I don't do that. Yeah. Yeah. Mm. But, but that's crazy. And so truly welcome to my life. Yeah. Yeah. It's not a miserable thing. It is what it is now. Right. I didn't like it at first, but…


[00:18:42] Laurin: yeah, it can be a little startling. To see people who have pass over.


[00:18:48] Denise: Yes,


[00:18:50] Laurin: yeah, I've only, done that a couple times and it's been family members for sure. So let's turn to your teaching. Yes. Because you mentioned earlier that you were an elementary school Phys. Ed. teacher, and I know you bring a lot of that experience. You do when you're wrangling the rest of us.


[00:19:06] Denise: I don't need a whistle.


[00:19:11] Laurin: No, you don't need a whistle. actually,


[00:19:14] Denise: I didn't use a whistle when I taught, I used one of those little plastic whistle things with three holes in it.


[00:19:20] Laurin: Oh, like an Ocarina.


[00:19:22] Denise: Yeah. So just cause that way it wasn't so loud. Yeah. The kids loved it, so yeah.


[00:19:26] Laurin: Anything for the kids. what did you start teaching first?


[00:19:29] Denise: I started teaching Reiki first,


[00:19:30] Laurin: Reiki First. Okay.


[00:19:32] Denise: And that's also a real interesting experience because I hadn't planned on it at all. I didn't really, it wasn't something I wanted to do. I just needed to deal with this gift I have and figure out what I'm gonna do with it.


And I still have a fulltime job. I went to the gym and met this yoga instructor and she goes, I hear you teach Reiki. I said, no, I don't teach Reiki. She goes, yes, you do. Cuz I want you to teach me.


[00:19:58] Laurin: The universe will get you messages, won't it?


[00:20:00] Denise: This is exactly what happened. So I scheduled a class, I had three people sign up for it. And the person that said I was gonna teach her, didn't even take the class.


[00:20:12] Laurin: Yeah, that was definitely a message.


[00:20:13] Denise: It was just a message. She was the messenger.


[00:21:16] Laurin: Yes.


[00:20:17] Denise: My confidence wasn't that great when I first started. And then I became comfortable teaching it. And I think as time went on, one of the biggest things I realized and that I learned from my students, I have to pay attention to them. No matter who they are. What do I need to learn from here?


And, it's not that I wasn't listening to them cuz I was, but I needed to listen to them on a deeper level and understand how they're gonna grasp this concept. And what I did was realize that everybody learns in their own way. And I already knew that. And everybody has their own way of interpreting things.


And then with that interpretation, doing the energy work. So I had to leave it to them. I'm gonna give you okay. A, B and C. This is what you need to know. Mm-hmm and you go ahead and do it because this is gonna be the Laurin energy work. Mm-hmm it's not gonna be Denise mm-hmm mm-hmm. And that is how over the years I've transformed into that kind of a teacher.


[00:21:15] Laurin: Yeah. Yeah. It is interesting. She only does small classes, which is wonderful. Yeah. And it's very experiential. Which I love yes. With a coach standing by, you know.


You're very good at it. And I really appreciate that you do this for small groups because it really, I see some Reiki classes that look like they've got 20 people in 'em and that wouldn't work for me but right.


[00:21:38] Denise: It works for some people mm-hmm. Through this pandemic, people started doing the Reiki classes online and I think that's okay.


[00:21:44] Laurin: Mm-hmm


[00:21:45] Denise: It's not for me.


[00:21:45] Laurin: Mm-hmm mm-hmm


[00:21:46] Denise: I think the attunements are really what makes Reiki. There are many, many lineages of Reiki. Azui was the main guy that channeled the information and then you have a tree just like any other ancestral tree.


[00:22:03] Laurin: Right.


[00:22:04] Denise: And the tree I follow along is the Raku Kei energy Raku Kei Reiki. Ishi Curro and Robertson, those two are the ones that kind of shifted to that. And in that lineage, we do four Reiki attunement for Reiki one, two in the morning, two in the afternoon. Mm-hmm and what is like so amazing to see is the transformation of these students from the first attunement to the second, to the third, to the fourth.


And I've had people who have taken Reiki and once again, I'm not judging anybody else's teaching ability or lineage or anything. All I know is that when they come and they take Reiki one again and have the four attunement they can feel it within themselves.


[00:22:50] Laurin: Mm-hmm


[00:22:50] Denise: of how it cleared a lot of energy and stuff.


[00:22:53] Laurin: Yeah.


[00:22:54] Denise: From them. Reiki two is a two double two minutes. So it's still four, two minutes, I go around twice


[00:23:00] Laurin: mm-hmm


[00:23:01] Denise: two times. And then Reiki master is like four times around.


[00:23:05] Laurin: Yeah. They do pack a while.


[00:23:08] Denise: They do.


[00:23:09] Laurin: They do. Yeah.


[00:23:10] Denise: I like it. I will teach with two people. I have taught with five, but that is like max


[00:23:16] Laurin: mm-hmm


[00:23:16] Denise: And it's not that I don't wanna teach 20 people, but even after teaching five people I was wiped out for a couple of days.


[00:23:25] Laurin: Yeah. Yeah.


[00:23:25] Denise: From the energy, from the attunements I believe in the past 10, maybe 12 years, cuz I've been teaching for 17 years. Something like that. Wow. I think I channel more as a teacher mm-hmm and thing, energy flows with that.


[00:23:41] Laurin: It's potent.


[00:23:42] Denise: It's great. We all get a little Guinea while we're taking our classes. Yes.


[00:23:48] Laurin: But she also has this beautiful backyard with these amazing trees. And I have learned when we take a break or at lunchtime to go out, take my shoes off and just stand in her grass and talk to her trees.


Cuz I love to talk to trees and enjoy the birds. And it's just, it's a beautiful place to just kind of come and be quiet and ground yourself. So that's, I mean literally grounding yourself. reconnecting to mother earth cuz we get, I call it LA LA land. I like to go way outta my body and then I come back and I gotta get settled back in my body. And You got a good setup there for classes too,


[00:24:26] Denise: Yes


[00:24:28] Laurin: A few years ago you invited me to join a group that you've been running for a long time.


[00:24:33] Denise: Since 2011.


[00:24:34] Laurin: And I call it the earth healing group. And that's just the easy way for me to explain it to people.


[00:24:39] Denise: That's good enough. That's just what it's.


[00:24:41] Laurin: So you came to that in an interesting way.


[00:24:47] Denise: I did. I did. There's actually two things that happened pretty close to each other. I see energy workers once a month minimum…


[00:24:56] Laurin: For your own, for your own,


[00:24:57] Denise: for my own to help balance my body. I was laying on the table and she does a form of, I call it Sharon healing. Mm-hmm because she has her own entourage and her own technique. Mm-hmm, somewhat to healing touch, so I'm laying on the table and she said I would like one of Denise's guides to speak through her.


Well, I took her literally. And so all of a sudden this huge being showed up in my mind's eye mm-hmm and I know white cloak, with a little tie around here, gray hair, gray beard, but he was very, very big and he embodied me. I didn't say no, but I didn't say, Hey, you know, you wanna it, it just happened.

Mm-hmm and then the next thing I know I was answering her questions, but I wasn't answering her questions. Mm-hmm. And his name is Bartolome mm-hmm, he's a force to be reckoned with mm-hmm, I'll tell you right now. Loving and compassionately force to be reckoned with. And that's how that started. And I think my question was that I had intuitive, somehow that a tsunami was gonna be hitting the continent of north America.


Mm-hmm and I wanted to know what I could do. Is there something we could do here? I can't remember what his answer was, but we started talking about that. But what I did know was yes, you can. And I was like, well, how am I supposed to do that?


Yeah. So know, I went home and I'm puzzling and I don't know the time between that. And when I had my dream. So I had a dream. It was a Friday night and all I drank was sevens. There was no story behind it. There was no animation sevens everywhere. I looked, there were sevens there be shape, color size.


And I woke up the next morning. I'm like, what the heck is that? So I didn't think about it too much. But I did go outside and I started doing some yard work and the information came in and they said that for me to form a group of seven women and for you to get that power together because seven is a powerful number.


Mm-hmm and to start healing the earth. I think the seven women came up like within that day. And the next day we already had our, we already had our group going and Bartolome, what I do is I channel him and I write it in my journal, what we're going to do next? how we're going to do it?

Mm-hmm and the third piece to this is I just read a book by Ted Andrews called Fairies.. And in the book, it talked about elementals, air, elementals, fire, water, and earth elementals. And Bartolome said you're gonna be healing in the earth using your elementals. And that was that. So I created a meditation.


For all of the seven including me to meet our elementals. Everybody has an earth elemental. That's theirs. Everybody has a fire a water and an air element. Everybody has one. And so, yeah, I got my four and I work with them and they're amazing. And they're very healing and they're funny.

I guess those are the three pieces mm-hmm and about every four to six weeks or so, depending on everybody's schedule, we do earth healing session.


Yeah. Sometimes we clean out the Ganges and sometimes like in the pandemic, we help clear the emotional energy mm-hmm so there's lots of things that we do. And with the help of elementals with the help of power animals. With the help of the four arch angels of the elements. I don't know them by heart, but like arch angel Michael is the element of fire.


[00:28:55] Laurin: That makes sense.


[00:28:56] Denise: Yes. it is some of the amazing things that we do, and we don't get very much feedback, but I think since 2011, maybe half a dozen times, we'll see on the news how something shifted and we're like, wow, we did work on that we don't get much feedback on it, but I do know that we do the work.


[00:29:18] Laurin: Yeah. And it's because it's working at an energetic level, so it's not like people will go, oh, somebody came and did energy work, and now this is working, you know, it's like, yes, but it feels so right when we're doing it. And it's basically a journey. Yes. But it's a group journey, which is really fascinating.


[00:29:36] Denise: A middle world journey, basically.


[00:29:39] Laurin: Yeah. Yeah. When we're doing the work, I can always speak for myself, but I think the rest of the group feels the same way. I'm the newbie in the group. So it feels right, it just feels like you're doing the right thing. You're doing the good thing. I complain a lot about people not doing things for the greater good anymore.


When I grew up, there was a lot of talk about doing things for the greater good, and this feels like it's for the greater good. And it doesn't matter that nobody knows what we're doing. It, it doesn't matter. It is simply for the greater good. And honestly, it's for the greater good of mother earth. And then it flows over into those of us who get to live on here.


[00:30:14] Denise: That's correct. Yeah. So Bartolome has told me many times that mother earth, or Gaia, or however you want to talk about her is a being mm-hmm and she's going through her own transitions, her own expansions as humanity is going through transitions and expansions. So when mother earth expands or has a, an expansion, so do the humans and we can feel it.


We don't know what it is, but yeah. and then when the humans have an expansion, so does mother earth. You can look around the earth and we haven't been too kind to her.


[00:30:51] Laurin: No, no. One of the beautiful things, and I know it's hard to talk about the pandemic in terms of beautiful things, but one of the beautiful things for me was all of the film of the animals coming back into places that they had not been for so long because people weren't out and about.

That you could see the Himalayas from town miles away that they never seen it before because the pollution cleared out. Yeah. Yes. and it happened so fast. And for me, this is a little bit off, topic here, but for me, that was a very affirming moment of it's not gonna take a lot of effort for us to make things better here.


I mean, it takes effort, but mother earth is resilient. She springs back when we make room for her. Yes. She came barreling back and it was beautiful. So unfortunately, we're back to our individuals now, but we've seen it.


[00:31:42] Denise: I right. And I think a lot of people saw that mm-hmm and I think those people are gonna help.


[00:31:52] Laurin: Yeah because of the same feeling that I have, it's like, oh, we can do this. Yes. This is not an impossible feat to reverse things and to be in better relationship with the earth. Yes.

I know you had a few things that Bartolome you wanted do to share with our listeners.


[00:32:07] Denise: If I'm not doing what I was meant to do in my journey this life, he certainly gives me a nice big push and reminds me, but he showed up this morning. I guess he knew what I was doing.

But he wanted to give a message to you. If you are an empath or if you are a light worker or you do energy work, it doesn't matter to seek out other light workers to balance your body. It really helps me because if you're an empath, it is not easy to live on the earth plain sometimes, especially through the pandemic, I was bombarded with global fear.


And so I had to readjust my energy field so I could function mm-hmm so go ahead and seek out a light worker or an energy worker, however you wanna word it. What is important though, ask that energy worker or that light worker that you want to go Sue, by the way, massage therapists are energy workers.


Mm-hmm, even though a lot of them don't say that. Make sure that that practitioner does their own work, that they seek out other energy workers. Because if you're an empath and they don't, then you're gonna feel a lot of their energy, a lot of their stuff.


Mm-hmm two books that shifted for me, the very, very first book I read was you can hear your life about Louise Hay. She's been around for years and years and years, but me understanding that my words to myself, I was my worst critic was affecting my body, affected me physically, emotionally, mentally.


And she taught me that. So read that book, keep it by her side all the time, because she has some tremendous positive affirmations to help you shift things. The other book I just read recently, even though I know it's been around for years and years and years I think information comes to you exactly when you need it is the four agreements. And I can't remember who wrote that.


[00:33:59] Laurin: We'll have it in the show notes with links to Amazon, so you can go and check it out.

[00:34:04] Denise: The four agreements are to be impeccable with your word.

Not take anything personally. Yeah. I was the queen of taking things personally. Mm-hmm don't assume. And just to do your best in your work on a daily basis. Be impeccable with your word. Both Laurin and I have where our energy is very strong. We work on people. If I say a negative word, or if she says a negative word to somebody, that's the energy that they receive.


Mm-hmm. So to do your best to be impeccable with your word and your thoughts mm-hmm cause thoughts are still energy mm-hmm trust your intuition. I think probably that would be the biggest thing for my clients and students is to trust. Did I really hear that?


Did I really see that? Walk in the woods, take a walk as often as you can, and if you can't go in the woods, take your shoes off and take a walk on mother earth and ground yourself. If you are empathic and are sensitive to other people's energies and not just human energies, but computer energies, Get a lot of energy off of it. So figure out a way to learn how to protect yourself. Mm-hmm I had to figure out what worked for me. There's lots of information out there you can get and how to protect your energy field and to ground yourself.


Yeah. I am not one who likes to be grounded. Yeah. I would rather be floating out there. Yeah. And having conversations with whoever trees and mm-hmm


[00:35:30] Laurin: Yeah, I'm the same. I'm always having to remember to ground. Right. And I do it the same way I go outside. And whenever I can. And just, yes. Be especially around trees. Trees are awesome.


[00:35:42] Denise: Yes. so cycling is grounding for me because I have no choice, but to pay attention to what I'm doing and the breathing and my muscles work. And that's what it does for me. Mm-hmm I think the last thing,


Everything that is, is alive. Iraq is alive. A tree is alive. You may not believe the nature spirits, but they're out there. Mm-hmm so, if you decide to cut a tree down, talk to it first and tell 'em what you're gonna do and why they just wanna be heard. How do I know this? Because they've told me, they've told Laurin mm-hmm


And there are beings, diva of the land. There are noms, out there. I have them in my yard. I talk to them all the time and mm-hmm all right. You might think that's crazy. but it's not.


[00:36:31] Laurin: It's not, they're not alone in that experience. That's because that is, it is easy to go, God, I'm just weird. I'm just crazy. But then you start meeting other people who share the same experiences. And you haven't like I never told you that I saw noms and, you didn't tell me. And then we just started talking about it.


[00:36:52] Denise: You did want to tell me. We were having tea down the road somewhere. And she told me she seen noms. And I was like, oh my goodness. I met somebody else's seen a nom.


[00:37:06] Laurin: So they always look like tumbling mushrooms tonight when they come in, it's like they roll in.


[00:37:11] Denise: So one of the reasons my yard is the way it is, I made it into a healing sanctuary. If I see a whole part of a forest being burned or flooded or torn down, I will actually go there.

I'll take a middle earth journey and bring them if they need to be healed. And then, I send 'em on their way, if they wanna go back, or if they want go somewhere else. Yep. To really be able to connect to them. I suggest to take a shamanic class. Cuz when I teach shamanism, I teach you how to go to the lower world.


It's more of a dimension. It's not hell no, I teach you go to it's wonderful. It's awesome. I teach you go to the upper world and I teach you go to the middle world. So if you walk out your back door, you will see trees and bushes and such. But if you take a shamonic journey, then you'll be able to see all the nature spirits, the noms and, everyone that's out there.


[00:38:09] Laurin: Yeah. So, and I just wanna add you and I both use the word SEE, but I think PERCEIVE is maybe a better word cuz not everybody experiences things exactly the way we do. Correct. And I know I have a good friend who doesn't see even in her mind's eye, but she can perceive. Correct.


So I just wanted to throw that in. Cause I know that that's been a sticking point for a few people I've talked with so.


[00:38:32] Denise: Well, let's go through that. I talked about it earlier. Yeah. So you've all heard of clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairsentience and that helps you see and feel and hear the unseen.


Like I see Laurin that's clairvoyance objective. Clairvoyance subjective is when you see them in your mind's eye. Clairsentience is I have a feeling that there's a being there and it could be an earthbound. It could be an angel. It could be your guide. It doesn’t matter. It's just an inner knowing that you have.

And then there's clairaudience and that's the ability to hear. And that's also clear audience objective, where you can actually hear it. Like, I hear her talking to me. So I went to my neighbor's house and walked in and I heard I'm home and I heard it just like I hear. And it was her mom who had recently passed away to let me know, to tell her she was home.


And then there are other times Bartolome usually he speaks clairaudience subjective. Mm-hmm where I can hear what he's telling me in my head. So just know that if you don't see him see him, that that doesn't mean you don't have clairvoyance.


[00:40:04] Laurin: Right, right. Because I'm more of a interior seeing than the exterior.


[00:40:11] Denise: And, and so am I.


[00:40:13] Laurin: Yeah. Yeah. Thank goodness. Cause it…I had a dog who passed away at 15 years old. And she showed up like three times and she freaked me out. I would see her and hear her jingle jingle of her collar. And I finally said, you gotta stop. You're freaking me out.


And she did. I said, I love that you're here, but you're freaking me out with the noise and the seeing you.


[00:40:39] Denise: Yeah. Now you'd be okay with it.


[00:40:45] Laurin: Now I would be. It's still kind of it gives me a little shock. A little like what? You know? But I'm much more comfortable with it now cuz I've done it more and I don't see them as actual beings like I see you very often.


[00:40:55] Denise: So yeah, more often than not. I see 'em in my minds eye. Yeah. Yeah. Or I sensed that they're there,


[00:41:03] Laurin: Someday I will share the story of my mother in this room. But today's not that day. That is a lot that we have shared with you. You can see why I love talking to Denise, cuz I always learned stuff and she's a kindred spirit.


Very much so. And probably the most. The closest to the way I operate in the world that I've met is you and we know we've been siblings in past lives. Yes.


[00:41:24] Denise: Now, so can't you tell? She told me I had to come into the earth plane two years before her so I could check. I like coming first so I could check him. Then she came two years.


[00:41:44] Laurin: I needed a big sister. Yes. And I discovered, well, we discovered that when I was just, I had come to see you for a session. Yes. And, and that information came out during us. You never know. What's gonna show up when you have a session with someone like us, because it's always fascinating.


I'm gonna switch gears now and go to the rapid-fire questions. I asked this of everybody and whatever comes to mind first is the right answer. Okay. So you don't have to think who is, or was the wisest person in your life?


[00:42:06] Denise: See. That's a hard question.


[00:42:08] Laurin: First one that comes to mind.


[00:42:10] Denise: There isn't anybody.


[00:42:12] Laurin: No?


[00:42:12] Denise: No.


[00:42:13] Laurin: Okay.


[00:42:13] Denise: Because, oh, well my grandmother. Okay. But she didn't talk words to me. I think if I were to look back, we talked to each other in our mind's eye. But that's it. My upbringing wasn't fun. I love everybody, but nobody there.


[00:42:34] Laurin: Yeah. But your grandmother was there.


[00:42:35] Denise: Yes. My grandmother was there.


[00:42:38] Laurin: I had a very quiet grandmother too, but she was a rock in my life.


[00:42:39] Denise: Yes, she was. So, I would go sit next to her while the rest of all the family and cousins were outside playing. And she was Catholic and she said the rosaries and I would sit there and she would read a prayer book and the energy was just fabulous. So it would be her. I almost forgot,


[00:42:58] Laurin: Yeah. What's your favorite self-care practice?


[00:43:02] Denise: Probably taking a shamanic journey. And I go and get information and there's a place where I go to rest and get some healing. Mm-hmm in my own little place. And then cycling.


[00:43:18] Laurin: Yeah, you do that a lot.


[00:43:19] Denise: That feeds my soul.


[00:43:20] Laurin: Yeah. All right. Good. What lights you up when you're feeling down?


[00:43:24] Denise: Nature. I go in my backyard and I sit back there. I have to have a little feral cat and she comes around at Bluebird house. And watch the birds or watch the bees feed off my antenna. That is my favorite favorite thing. And then sometimes they talk to me mm-hmm sometimes they don't.


[00:43:47] Laurin: So nice. All right. Do you have a favorite mantra or affirmation?


[00:43:52] Denise: Trust yourself. That's the only thing that comes forward. Trust who you are. Trust your intuition above all else, above all people.


[00:44:06] Laurin: Yes. Good.


[00:44:07] Denise: So that would be it your authentic self and trust that.


[00:44:11] Laurin: Yeah. Good. That, and that's powerful, especially to be trusting your intuition above all else.


[00:44:18] Denise: Yes. Yeah.


[00:44:19] Laurin: Yes. Yeah. Love it. All right. What's your favorite food?


[00:44:27] Denise: Sushi. Love sushi.


[00:44:30] Laurin: I like sushi. Never loved it, but I understand that people really do. My kids both love sushi.


[00:44:36] Denise: I would've said pizza, but the dough doesn't work for me anymore.


[00:44:41] Laurin: I'm so sorry.


[00:44:42] Denise: I mean, I'm not gluten intolerant, but my body goes, yeah, you don't keep that.


[00:44:47] Laurin: Yeah, we don't like that anymore. so


[00:44:49] Denise: Sushi is lighter.


[00:44:52] Laurin: Okay. Tell us where our listeners can find you online


[00:44:54] Denise: They can find me on my website. www.blueheronhealing-tidewater.com. And I have a contact thing. Just contact me.


[00:45:05] Laurin: Yeah. And we'll have that of course, in the show notes. And you have something of freebie that you have offered to listeners.


[00:45:12] Denise: So if you want a 15 minute free reading you're gonna have to email me with the answer to three questions. Other than Reiki, what else do I teach? What is the name of the light being that I channel and name three things in this podcast that you didn't know before listening to this podcast. And if you answer those three, you've got a 15 minutes free reading from me.


[00:45:39] Laurin: And she's like really, really good at that. So yes. And we will have that information in the show notes as well with the email link. So, right.


[00:45:48] Denise: So if you don't live anywhere around here I'll be happy to do it on zoom


[00:45:55] Laurin: All right. So, wow. That was a lot. That was great. I mean, I've known you for a while now, and I know you do all these things, but to really go through them and hear some of the stories behind 'em has been really special for me.


So I appreciate you doing that. And I hope that if you've enjoyed this, maybe you'll consider leaving us a review. That's always appreciated. It does help us be found by other people. You can always find me at www.heartlightjoy.com and I would love to talk to you if you have any questions or you wanna give us some feedback that would be great. I wanna thank Denise for being here with me today.


[00:46:29] Denise: Well, thank you for inviting me.


[00:46:32] Laurin: Oh yeah.


[00:46:32] Denise: I’m honored. I really am. It's been a joy



[00:46:36] Laurin: I hope you'll join us next week we have new episodes come out every Tuesday.

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Please head over to my website. www.heartlightjoy.com. Curiously Wise is a team effort. I am grateful for the skill and enthusiasm Arlene Membrot, our producer and Sam Wittig, our audio engineer, bring to this collaboration. Our music is Where the Light Is by Lemon Music Studio.


I'm Laurin Wittig. Please join me again next week for another episode of Curiously Wise. From my heart to yours, may your life be filled with love, light, joy, and of course, curiosity.

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