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Transcript Interview Episode with Allison Holley


Allison: [00:00:00] We are these absolutely incredible beings, and we're just trying to get our needs met. We're just trying to fulfill our innate desires, but we might be really removed from it. And so, we start to go into these processes. They're unconscious processes. We don't know what the answer is, and then we end up doing things that we feel ashamed about because shame, my definition of shame or I should say my definition of what creates the shameful feeling is doing something that's out of alignment with our truth.


Laurin: Hello friends, and welcome back to Curiously Wise, Practical Spirituality and Action. I have this amazing woman here today, Allison Holley. I met her at Embraced the Woo, Embraced the Woo Too, even. It was an online summit, and we [00:01:00] got matched up for her to do a reading for me first thing in the morning, and it was a life-changing moment.


It was a validating moment, and I just loved her energy and her whole depth of wisdom. So, I asked her if she would come and be a guest, and she said yes. So, we have her here with us today. And so let me just read you a little bit about her and then we'll get into what I know is gonna be a juicy conversation and you know how I like juicy conversations.


So, Allison is an Andromedan starseed, a channel, and awakening guide, and the author of the books, The Era of the True Creator and Ecstatic Playground. In 2012, Allison was overwhelmed by the intensity of a spiritual awakening. Many new awarenesses and gifts opened up to her during this time, including moments of spontaneous channeling and visions of the future.


These profound experiences led her to understand the game that is life, and to know that we are all [00:02:00] masters going through the process of awakening to higher frequency truths. Allison offers channeled guidance, ecstatic sexuality teachings, workshops, and retreats to assist you along your path. So welcome to Curiously Wise, Allison.



Allison: Hi Laurin. Thank you so much for having me here.


Laurin: I'm so excited to have you here. I, I, I'm a fan girl. I have to say.


Allison: Yay!


Laurin: I was telling Allison before we started that I was actually watching a video of her doing a masterclass earlier today, and I, so I feel like I'd get to spend like the whole day with her. It's so wonderful.


Allison: Oh, I love that. It lights my heart up. It's so fun. I'm really honored. Thank you.


Laurin: I really wanted to do this. It's very selfish in a good way because we only had like 20 minutes together when we met before, and you were channeling for me, and I just really wanted to spend more time with you. So, thank you. Thank you, thank you.


Allison: Thank you.


Laurin: All right. Let's, let's just go right into the juicy stuff here. And I wanna start off, you talk about [00:03:00] pleasure as a spiritual practice.


Allison: Hmm.


Laurin: So, tell us what you mean by that and, and how we can bring that into our lives.


Allison: Such a perfect place to start, you know? So, how I came to this understanding is, a lot of my story throughout my life, and then also through my awakening process over the past 10 years. And what I've discovered is I really had this big separation from my physical body. This might be something that a lot of people who identify as starseeds experience.


You know, I have learned recently through channeling that I never opened my root chakra. It was never opened. And I, and Uhhuh and I, you know, I had a lot of illness in my early years especially. But throughout my life there was a lot going on and I've had memories of what happened pre-birth, right?


Where I [00:04:00] pulled my light back in. You know, you talk a lot about my light, and I hear that a lot now because I've very consciously been bringing myself to where all of my channels are open. But it just was, I was very separated from my physical self for a lot of my life. And what I have learned, you know, to make it really brief, is that by bringing myself deeper into my physical self, not only do I not lose all of the connection that I hold so dear, that spiritual connection through the crown and all of the abilities to connect with things beyond just the physical.


Not only do I not lose that, but it actually strengthens it. And it allows my, it opens my ability to be a magical human. And you know, we're moving into this realm where, and I talk about this in my next book, Ecstatic Playground. [00:05:00] We're moving into that six-dimensional consciousness. We're becoming the conscious players of this physical reality in this physical reality.


And so, it's not only about awakening and ascending now, it's about really consciously playing through life. And if we are not within the physical body, if we're not connected to the physical body and we're trying to just be in those spiritual realms, we don't actually have the command to move us forward in, in this game, right?


And so, the most profound way that I have found to connect with my body and to play in this earth is through pleasure. We are built on all levels, and I can go into the physiology of it, I can go into the energetics of it. It's some of my favorite, you know, talking points. But [00:06:00] we are built to aim toward pleasure, and there's a reason for that.


Our pleasure connects us to the truth of who we are. We often think of pleasure as this extra thing, right? Like, if I'm good and if I do my work and if I make sure that I'm still of service to others that well, then my pleasure maybe will come next. Or it's, it's kind of an extra thing that a lot of people think of.


But we are built to desire pleasure for that specific reason because it connects us to our blueprint. So, each of us have an internal blueprint. That blueprint states, this is who I am, who I've designed myself to be in this physical realm. And it includes our life purpose because it is our energy frequency. So that blueprint is the truth of our energy frequency.


Laurin: Hmm. I've never, I've never [00:07:00] heard that term used for that. That's interesting.


Allison: Yes. A lot of the things that I talk about are things that I've directly channeled. So, I don't often do research unless I've channeled something and I need a little extra Google assistance, right? But I was told, you know, blueprint and I have been told it's called a divine template. So different words like that.


Laurin: Yeah. Yeah.


Allison: Our life purpose is to be our truest frequency. That's it, right? So, when we can tune into our truest frequency, we are living our purpose. And our purpose is then coming through us instead of being thought about, instead of wondering what it is. So, here's how it all comes together.

We're pleasure seeking, right? We, we desire pleasure. We have that built into us in all levels. Our desires are activation points within our [00:08:00] blueprint.


Laurin: Okay. All right. That makes sense to me cuz that, that which we desire is what we're sort of motivated to move towards.


Allison: It's who we are on a deep, fundamental level.


Laurin: Yeah. Interesting. Okay.


Allison: And what we want to do is really hone in on what those desires are. We deny our desires for so long because we think that they're secondary, or they'll make us what's the word? Hedonistic or whatever it is.


Laurin: Selfish or, yeah.


Allison: Selfish. And so, we avoid those desires, and then what happens is they sort of stack up and they become unconscious, but we're still pleasure seeking. So, we meet those desires in ways that are not true to who we are.


Laurin: That makes a lot of sense to me. I spent a lot of my life knowing who I didn't want to be, knowing what I didn't want to do, [00:09:00] knowing what, you know, what didn't work for me. And it's not until really the last four or five years where I have finally gone, wait a minute. I know what I don't want, but what do I want?


What do I, what is it that I wanna do? And so, things like this podcast have come to me because I wanted to have great conversations with people.


Allison: Yeah.


Laurin: So, I was working with a coach who started off a podcast, how to do, how to be a podcast guest beta course that I got to take for, you know, a, a deal and totally put me in this direction.

I didn't know I was gonna do podcasting. I just said I missed juicy conversations and the universe brought it to me. That's one of the, you know, times where I know that I desired something. I really wanted these deep conversations. I had a group here in Williamsburg, Virginia before the, the pandemic hit that I had started the Wise Women Circle.


Allison: Hmm


Laurin: We had this twice a month. We had these great conversations [00:10:00] and I really missed it. And it didn't translate to Zoom cuz none of us knew how to use Zoom at the beginning. So, so it, it was for me, it's a great example of what you just said and I, I love to learn from examples.


So, that I, I finally knew there was something I wanted that was missing from my life that I really wanted and that it turned out I had been pretty good at. And, and then it came in this unexpected way. And here I am.


Allison: I love that. It reminds me of, you know, another spiritual principle that I want to introduce, which is the concept of enlightenment. And what enlightenment has been shown to me what it is, is high levels of light being able to go into our, our bodies and our energy fields, which means that our channels are open and how do we know that we are following our purpose?


It's what lights us up. [00:11:00] And then what lights us up brings us to enlightenment. We are conduits of light. We are, our ascension model is essentially opening up to receive and allow more light in through unblocking all of those channels. So, yeah, I mean, I remember when I was early twenties, this was such a significant moment for me.


I went out dancing with a friend and it, we were in Spain and it, so it was like a, a very different environment, which helped me see differently. When we do different things, it can really open us up to something new. And I remember she sat down and she said, you know, I'm really tired, but you can go keep dancing.


And there was this light bulb that went off that said, I like dancing. Even though my friend doesn't like dancing, I still like it. It shows you how ungrounded I was, right? I couldn't differentiate myself from other people [00:12:00] at that point.


Laurin: Mm-hmm.


Allison: And it was such an enlightening moment to say, huh, this being called Allison really likes something. And I know I can feel, oh, this is something that I like. And I think so often, you know, to bring it full circle, we don't even know what we desire. Cause we have so much separation because we've got programs that tell us this is the way to be.


Laurin: Right, right. And there's those, those shoulds and oughts, you know, you should do this, you should be this, you should, are you ought to do it. You, you know, you should feel shame if you don't do it. And I know you talked about shame some too, but yeah. And that's so much of my childhood and, and, and actually most of my adulthood, you know, I'm in, in my early sixties now, was defined by what I should do, what I was responsible for, what I, you know, what I had to do.


And every once in a while, I, I hit on something that really lit me up and I got to do that, [00:13:00] like my books that I wrote, you know, that was something that lit me up for a time. I, I doesn't light me up as much anymore, but I loved doing it at the time. And it turned out that I had a knack for it. And, and you know, and then healing came along cuz I needed it and I had to find an alternative source cuz you know, the medical situation was not helping me.


And I discovered that, yeah. And I discovered that I loved that modality of working with the energy of people and helping them feel better. And low and behold, I have a knack for that. And I, you know, it's like now I have a knack for talking to people and that's, so, yeah. It's, it's interesting to me to see how those points lit up for me, leading me.


And I don't think I'm at my destination yet. I don't know where it's taking me, but each one of these sort of feeds into the next, in a, a beautiful way. When you look back at it, it's not always obvious when it's happening.


Allison: Absolutely. Absolutely. Which is why it's really helpful to move our definition of our life [00:14:00] purpose from a specific thing to the action of channeling the present moment through our blueprint. Being our energy. And then we're always in the moment going to be shown authentic desires, authentic routes to what lights us up. What brings us into pleasure.


Laurin: Mm-hmm. I love that. Yeah. Pleasure is such a, it's like the carrot that gets us to do all the things that we don't wanna do, you know.


Allison: Like, isn't that great? Thank you for all of this. You know, ultimate creator, right?


Laurin: Yeah. So, I wonder how much of our dysfunctional culture comes from that denial of pleasure.


Allison: Mm-hmm.


Laurin: Not knowing what we, what lights us up. I mean, I'm thinking about people eating to, you know, to bring that endorphin [00:15:00] rush on. You know, people have sex sometimes indiscriminately or when it's not in their best interest because it just fulfills some pleasure need in them. And if we could open up to those things that really do give us pleasure.


Allison: And that is such a great, you know, segue into what blocks us from pleasure. You know, what blocks us from pleasure. Not only do we think it's extra, but we are kind of afraid of it because they're so we, we see pleasure as an unconscious act so often because we are disconnected from it. I mean, I do like to say if the whole world was living in their pleasure, it, we would be in heaven. And, and when I'm in full pleasure, I am in heaven regardless of what the world does. Right?


Laurin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yes, absolutely.


Allison: It's my moment of heaven. It's my sphere of heaven. [00:16:00] But what keeps us from experiencing pleasure is that we, you know, like I said before, we stuff those desires in because we're programmed, we're running in programs.


So, by connecting to the true desire, we then connect to the true pleasure. It's the elevated sense of pleasure. So, it would be maybe more accurate to say we're not pleasure seeking, but we're on a deeper level. We're desire seeking. We want to live our frequency.


Laurin: Mm-hmm.


Allison: And so how do we then connect to those? A lot of times, and this brings in shame, this is why I talk about shame. In order to get our needs and our desires met, we do whatever we know how to do.


Laurin: Mm-hmm.


Allison: I heard, when I very first started coaching, I heard from another coach, and I don't remember his name, but it was really profound, and he said, everything that anybody does is serving them on some level. [00:17:00] Everything that we do, it's because we are trying to get a need met or a desire met, right?


And when we're living in pure presence, of course, then it's, it's a different model that we're working with. But most of the time when we have unconsciousness in any area of our lives, we're trying to get those needs met and we just don't know how. And you know, we can go to a really basic example. If I'm hungry and I've never been taught what's healthy for my body, well then I'm just going to be trying to get nourishment in and I'm gonna eat Cheetos. Right?


Laurin: Right, right.


Allison: It's just, you know, and no shade to people who eat Cheetos, like have a treat. Right? You know, but, but…


Laurin: That doesn't, that doesn't satiate you. You know? It doesn't, it doesn't meet the need. And so, I start looking for something else.


Allison: Yes.


Laurin: You know? It's like, okay, so I, I still need something. I don't know what I need, but I need something. And, and the kitchen is the best place to, you know, sort of [00:18:00] feel that example because I'll go look in the pantry, nothing there, gonna look in the refrigerator, nothing there.

It's like where it's like, cuz it's just whatever it is that I need is not, I don't know what it is, enough to go, oh, I could go to the grocery store and pick up an apple and I'd be happy. You know? But so, I think that's a really visceral kind of example of, of that.


Allison: And this is what creates the shame cycle.


Laurin: Mm-hmm.


Allison: We have, we're these beautiful beings. Like just take a moment and, and just, even if you're listening to this, just like hug yourself for a moment and say, wow, you know what an incredible being this is. We are these absolutely incredible beings, and we're just trying to get our needs met.


We're just trying to fulfill our innate desires, but we might be really removed from it. And so, we start to go into these processes. They're unconscious processes. We don't know what the answer [00:19:00] is, and then we end up doing things that we feel ashamed about because shame, my definition of shame or I should say my definition of what creates the shameful feeling is doing something that's out of alignment with our truth.


Laurin: Mm-hmm.


Allison: And then being worried how that's being perceived in the world, and, you know, on and on.


Laurin: Yeah. Yeah.


Allison: Because we wouldn't have shame if we weren't worried about how it was perceived in the world. We would just forgive ourselves and we would just move forward, like, oh.


Laurin: Okay.


Allison: That didn't work. We'll try something else. Right?


Laurin: Yeah. There's that fear of judgment by, by others and yeah. Yeah.


Allison: Yeah. And shame is a really, really big program that's running in society right now. So, not only do we learn unconscious ways of meeting our needs, but then we learn the shame as well. So, we've got all this stuff running through us when all we're really trying to do is, you [00:20:00] know, connect with our truth.


Laurin: So, you coach a lot of people from what I understand. So, how do would you suggest as a starting place for somebody to figure out what their desires are?


Allison: Ooh, shame is a…


Laurin: Just a little question.


Allison: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it can be that potent, it can be a moment that just shifts your life. So, I don't wanna, you know, say it's gonna take lifetimes, because most of the time when you know, you know, when you know that pinpoint, there you go. You just move through it. So, it's awareness. But shame is that gateway.


Laurin: Hmm.


Allison: Shame is the gateway. If we're feeling shame in an area, that means that there's something there that we desire that we don't know how to fulfill or satiate or connect with. A lot of people have shame around their sexuality, around their eroticism. What's there? [00:21:00] You know, what's there?

Shame doesn't exist on an on its own on this island. It's actually the gateway to more of our truth.


And so, when we look at those areas where we're already feeling reticence, tightness, shame, then we can start to see, well, what is it that I want? What's the opposite? That's some a game that I play sometimes. What's the opposite of what I'm doing right now?


Laurin: Yes. Yeah.


Allison: You know? And what does it feel like? And sometimes we have to have other people help us to know what it feels like on the other side, cuz we've never experienced it.


Laurin: Right. Yeah, some that, that was what I was think, kind of thinking about is that if you don't know what's good for your, you know, to go back to the food analogy, if you don't know what's good for your body, you don't know what to look for. You know? So how, if you've never been exposed to a different way of moving through the world, how do you know that [00:22:00] that's what you desire?

Is that other way? But I like this looking at the opposite thing. That's really useful.


Allison: Yeah.


Laurin: Really useful. Yeah, because that's so much of, of my journey on you know, my spiritual journey. My awakening journey has been about noticing my emotions.


Allison: Yes.


Laurin: And then going, wait a minute, why am I feeling that way? For me, nine times out of 10, I was feeling like a victim, you know?


And so, once I learned to shift that to not, I'm a victim of this, but what's in this for me? So, it's sort of that opposite of being a victim. What's it, what's the opposite of being a victim, receiving something, you know? It's so it's the same kind of idea you're talking about here with shame is if I'm feeling shame and that, what's the opposite of that, going to the feeling, I think for me would be the first place.


Allison: Yes.


Laurin: And then, okay, what is, what would generate that feeling?


Allison: Yes, yes.


Laurin: Okay. All right. [00:23:00] Good.


Allison: I've definitely experienced my fair share of shame, and it can be such a catapult. You know, it's interesting because one of my teachers really subscribed to Brene Brown.


Laurin: Mm-hmm.


Allison: Brene Brown talks a lot about shame.


Laurin: She studies shame.


Allison: Oh, such a beautiful, she's such a, an amazing speaker. And understanding that shame it makes us want to hide.


Laurin: Mm-hmm.


Allison: So, it's sort of self-fulfilling. It really causes us to go back when what, what hears shame is actually opening up about it. The moment that I say, you know, I feel a little scared saying this, but the moment that I say, man, I'm, I'm really embarrassed that I did this, but here it is, clears it.


On a new level, and of course we're gonna meet people who say, oh, I don't know. You should, you should really be ashamed to put that back in the box. And so, we, we then, you know, [00:24:00] elevate the people that we connect with who are capable of holding that, that love frequency for what we're experiencing, for what we're going through.


So, you know, and we're all helping each other when we open these channels. When we activate, that's when we activate everyone around us to higher frequencies. So, we're, we're all doing it all the time, but what are we activating each other into? Right? Is it love?


Laurin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Hopefully.


Allison: So, it is our service. You know, I like to say this to people who are very spiritually minded. It is our service to the world to open these channels to move through the blocks of shame.


Laurin: Mm-hmm.


Allison: That's our service. You know, so if shame, if there's shame in the body, then that means that we're blocking part of our light for the rest of the world. We don't have an open channel in that area.

And having [00:25:00] all of our channels open is really how we serve people. And I say that because so many people who are deeply spiritual don't wanna harm other people by going through the process of initiation and through some of that shame or whatever it is, you know, we don't need to stay there forever.


But when we move through it, we open the channels, which allows us to be big, big old light beams for other, for the rest of the planet.


Laurin: Right. That's basically the process I take people through that I work with as a healer is I, I feel like I, well, I know, you know how we know things, that there's stories that are stuck in the body and they're often trauma, shame that, you know, anger, they're things we don't want to admit to, and they get stuck in the body and the body reacts.


And that's when people come to me, it's like, I have this pain. The doctors aren't helping. I need something different. Which is how I got on this path too. And, and [00:26:00] what I talk about is bring, is revealing it, bringing that story up into the light I call it, where we can together process it. You know, what, what was, how can we reframe this?


What did you learn from it? What's the good in it that you can do? And let go of the rest of it. And then I help them release it. And it's a beautiful thing, and it can happen like this. It doesn't take a long time to do. But it is that, that being willing to bring it up and look at it, acknowledge that there's something in there that was useful to you, you know, and then let it go.


And, and I know a lot of people who are, have had a lot of sexual trauma particularly, have a hard time with that. What was useful to me, the piece of it. So, you have to be a little gentle there, but there's always something of, use some wisdom, some, some experience that informs the rest of our lives in, in positive or negative ways we get to choose.


Allison: Yes, yes, we are absolutely, you know, I have that [00:27:00] written into my bio, we're masters, you know, we're playing, we're playing this really, really powerful game, right? I don't call it a game to like brush it aside. We're playing a really powerful game. We get to feel it and experience it. This is, this is full on.


You know, so our pains are, oh, they just service in so many ways. Even though when we're experiencing them.


Laurin: Yeah. It's not fun.


Allison: They don't feel like it, and they feel so, it feels so real. It feels so real to our higher dimensional, cosmic, embodied self. It's, you know, it's just a, it's an experience, but to this, to this body, but to this body we feel. And that is real powerful alchemy to be able to understand how it's serving us and how we can then take it into greater consciousness and move forward with that.


Laurin: Yeah. [00:28:00] Yeah. And it's a big step when you can get to where you can do that. It gets easier and easier. The more you do it, the easier it gets, and the faster things, you know, move and the better things get. Yeah. All right, so talk about the ecstatic body.


Allison: Hmm. Okay. I'm just, so, I move a lot. I love dancing. I, you know cuz the energy moves through me. Right? So, and I also just want to, to say this before I move into this, that before we started recording, you and I Laurin, we came up with an agreement that if something starts to feel uncomfortable, we're just gonna name it.


Because I know that talking about sex, sexuality, eroticism, especially for the people that I connect with who are energetic, spiritual, that can really hit a wall. Okay? So, I invite you, if you're listening to, or watching [00:29:00] this, if it's on YouTube to notice where an edge is as I talk about all of this, because I love this arena and I will really get into it.


Laurin: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.


Allison: And so, like I said, I mean, I just, oh, I just love the way that it feels to have this ecstatic body activated open to have this energy moving through me. And so, I'm very comfortable with it.


Laurin: Yeah.


Allison: I love it.


Laurin: Basically, I told her that I get a little uncomfortable talking about sex, but I'm of a generation where we, even though we were a bit freer to have it, we didn't talk about it, so, but I like to be stretched, so…


Allison: Yes. There we go. We can go into new realms with this and also be prepared to be surprised if it's not uncomfortable, right? Ooh, maybe that was an edge before, but all of a sudden I kind of like it. Get [00:30:00] curious. Let the curiosity be there. So, the ecstatic body is what happens in our physical form when our light body is activated.


It's having those channels open so light is pouring through. And because we are physically, we're, we're physical right now and we're physically oriented toward pleasure. What happens when we are filled with light is we become highly orgasmic in all senses of the word.


It feels sexual in nature to be lit up at this level. It does, because our body is open. There is sort of, I would say sexuality in all dimensions and we can look at what happens with our physical bodies and we can see it in greater concepts of the universe, right? So, what I mean by that is we talk about the divine masculine, divine feminine [00:31:00] polarities.


And some people prefer to call those yin yang polarities because they're less based on gender. So, we've got these polarities, they mirror the physiology that happens in our, in our bodies when we're turned on. It's so fascinating, right? I'll give a brief example. Our chakras, when they are, when they are activated, they endlessly open.


That's the feminine principle. And what happens when they endlessly open, the light pours in. That's the masculine principle. I have a whole you know, I gave a talk on this. A big concept that was delivered to me is the next level of masculine and feminine polarity is actually light and sound.

So, the light being the masculine principle, the sound being the feminine.


Laurin: Huh? Oh, that's interesting. Yeah.


Allison: And then we can mirror that with the earth. The earth being, you know, so many people say Mother Earth, right?


Laurin: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.


Allison: Father son, [00:32:00] the light and the sound, the earth has a vibration. That is a, a sound frequency, right? And there's so much more to this. A lot of concepts that I don't even understand come through.


Laurin: Yeah.


Allison: But I went on a tangent there.


Laurin: That's alright.


Allison: Cause, I get really excited about it. But essentially, you know, I'm, I'm really trying to draw the, the parallels because showing that what happens in our physical bodies is absolutely part of the greater truth of spirituality.


And we just have it in a more dense frequency is all. People who are used to higher frequencies are more comfortable in those higher frequencies. We tend to go, okay, body, what is this? What are we doing? Let's get that, like, ugh. But the amazing thing is when we channel light through our bodies, we get turned on.


We literally have ecstatic physical experiences. [00:33:00] A lot of people I've talked to just, I mean, just recently, two people who have done Ayahuasca Ceremonies had like hours of orgasm.


Laurin: Oh gosh.


Allison: Right? Sounds a little overwhelming.


Laurin: It does. Yeah.


Allison: But we're talking about energy moving through the body and how our body translates this beautiful energy.


It is in the, it feels sexual. And so, what I do in my work, especially right now, it's, it's been calling to me for years, but I was shown at the beginning or at the end of last year when I did a channeling for the collective. This year is really about the body. So, we're talking about our dietary needs.


So, it's interesting that you talked about that. So many people are talking about their physical health their, you know, moving into their light body, but that involves the physical aspect as well. So, [00:34:00] you know, this year I'm really, really talking a lot about moving that energy through the body. How do we stop disassociating the two?


How can we feel safe within those, you know, sexual activations that are I mean, they're incredible. There's so many different ways that this energy moves through the body. Even laughing can be its own type of orgasmic experience in the body. So, there's just a lot of parallels.


Laurin: Okay. It's really, it's interesting because I am, I have been so aware that I need to be walking more and I, I've got, I've got an urge to go back to the gym, which is not, not me.


Allison: Same.


Laurin: It's like, I really wanna go lift some weights, you know, and that is so not me, but it's in my head and I'm like, okay.


Huh. That's interesting. I'm noticing I haven't activated that yet, but I have noticed it. I love to [00:35:00] walk and I live in a place where we've got beautiful walking trails and lots of woods and take the dog and walk a lot. But that, it's really interesting to me that you're bringing that up, that that's part of the energy of this year.


I was thinking maybe it's just the coming out of the, quarantine years and that we all feel a little sluggish after that.


Allison: That would make sense.


Laurin: Yeah. But it does, it does make sense that okay. I, I’ll, yeah. Okay. You just put, put some pieces together for me, so…


Allison: Mm-hmm.


Laurin: So interesting. Okay. Lovely.


Allison: That’s orchestration, you know?


Laurin: Yes. And I always trust that when I get, I, I, one of the things I have learned about myself is I'll get ideas like that and it's like, okay, but I don't feel the forward motion of it.


And then all of a sudden it's like a, a, a switch flips. And I'm like, oh, I'm gonna go do that now, and then I'm all in. You know, it's, so I, I've learned to kind of wait for that moment, and it's okay to do that, but, but it's interesting that that is actually in the, in the zeitgeist.


Allison: [00:36:00] Yeah. And beautiful. I wanna just briefly accentuate how much you trust yourself. When you receive that guidance, you do it. That's a huge part of allowing this light to channel through.


Laurin: Okay. Yeah. I used to kind of feel shame that I knew I should do something, but I just didn't have any impetus towards it. And then I realized I changed very rapidly when the moment arrives.


Allison: There we go.


Laurin: Yeah, yeah. And I like to call that divine right timing. My favorite time zone, DRT.


Allison: That's so good.


Laurin: And, and yeah, so just, you know, trusting that I'm not being slothful. I am just, it's not the right time for me to do that, for whatever reason, and I don't even need to know why. So. Yeah. Yeah. So, I've learned a few things.


Allison: I love it.


Laurin: All right. See, you didn't push any of my buttons or, or even [00:37:00] get there, so…


Allison: Oh, yay. We were flowing.


Laurin: Yeah. Yeah. And then in fact, I'll be perfectly honest and say that I experienced that sort of orgasmic stuff when I was just starting to waken up. And I, I was like very shocked by it. And I do have the separation still of spirits up here, and I wanna go play in the, in the high vibration, but the body needs some attention too.


So, I'm very much in alignment with that needing to happen. So, I appreciate the message.


Allison: Absolutely.


Laurin: So…


Allison: You know, our, our…


Laurin: It's really fun to be up there. It's not always fun to be down here.


Allison: It's fun. And then, and you know, I mean, again, as a starseed, like so disconnected from the earth. I literally remember the time in my twenties, the first time I noticed my, my physical aura touched the ground.


Laurin: Oh, wow.


Allison: Yeah. So, I understand that disconnect, and I'm so grateful for this [00:38:00] avenue of moving energy through the body to teach me how to be a human. You know? I mean, it's, it's amazing. Like, and, and there's just continuous learning on it. And I want to share too, these bodies are earth. We are earth.


Laurin: Absolutely.


Allison: And we don't shy away from the earth, right? Well, some of us do. You know, don't wanna go outside, it's cold. Well, actually, my guides have been telling me go outside all the time.


Laurin: Right.


Allison: But if we, you know, if we look at honoring the physical body as a parallel process to honoring the planet, honoring the earth.


Laurin: Hmm


Allison: And how much wisdom this planet holds for us that we can channel that wisdom through. I've been told abundance, all of my abundance and prosperity learning is with working with the earth.


Laurin: mm-hmm.


Allison: I mean, look at this place. If you, if you stop, you know, [00:39:00] dousing things for two seconds, something will grow from it.


Laurin: Right, right.


Allison: It's incredible.


Laurin: That's, I love the early days of the, of the quarantine and all the pictures that started to come out from around the world about how fast the earth healed herself.


Allison: Yes.


Laurin: Animals returned. You could see the Himalayas from, you know, villages that had never been able to see them for decades. And, and the air was clear and, and it just, you know, and nature just like, wow, it went crazy. It's like, yeah, this is cool. We can do whatever we want to. Yeah.


Allison: We return to the truth of who we are, our physical bodies do the same thing.


Laurin: Hmm. Okay. Lovely, lovely. Okay. So interesting. All right. Tell us a little bit about your, your new book that's coming out.


Allison: Ecstatic Playground is as we were talking about still in the editing phase, hopefully very, very soon. I'm hoping by the end of this month it will be out [00:40:00] available. But of course, I know rushing it because I'm really excited about the messaging in this book. So, my first book is The Era of the True Creator, and I'll show you. Yeah, we both have our…


Laurin: I got my copy right here.


Allison: Our little copies.


Laurin: I highly recommend it. I've still got a little bit of reading to do cuz I have to savor it. It's like I have to like, let it kind of sink in and then I move on to the next chapter.


Allison: I hear you. It is all channeled guidance. And what the era of the true creator, the way that I think of it is it takes us through that initial awakening. It says, here's where we're starting, and then we move through and we move into that fifth dimensional consciousness where we understand we are creators. So Ecstatic Playground is, hey, now that we know we're creators, how do we play?


Laurin: Mm.


Allison: And that moves us into the sixth dimension. I've been told through channeling that the sixth dimension is pure play. Six [00:41:00] dimensional consciousness is really doctor strange level. It's where we start experiencing things like bilocation.


We start experiencing everything happening in the now and you know, so many other things open up for us. Ecstatic body is one of those things. I talk about ecstatic body briefly in The Era of the True Creator, but I go a lot more into ecstasy and moving energy through our bodies in ecstatic playground.


I have a feeling that book three is going to be a lot more about the body, but I'll let you know when I get the download.


Laurin: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm looking forward to that one cuz that was one of the things that you channeled for me. When we met before was that I needed to play more and, and it's, and you're, what you channeled for me was just to be spontaneous and I, it, it totally works. So…


Allison: I know. 80 is kind of scary, isn't it? You're like, I'm so out of control.


Laurin: I don't have time for that.


Allison: Yeah. [00:42:00] Exactly. Exactly.


Laurin: But I have a, I have a two-year-old dog and she loves to play. So, I've, instead of saying, wait, no, I gotta finish this. I get up and I play with her and, you know, and, and we throw the ball around and do all kinds of stuff. So that's really helped me to, you know, be more connected to her too, which is lovely. So, yeah.


Allison: I love it.


Laurin: Play is, play is something that is, I think a lost art once we get out of about the, you know, the five or six year old.


Allison: Isn't that crazy? And here, I mean, here's a new layer. Okay, so I'm just gonna briefly introduce this. Theta state, theta brainwave state is where I channel from, right? It's where we receive our intuitive guidance. It's where we move out of you know, that monkey mind and we can really start to open up to those higher frequencies and both hemispheres of the brain have perfect coherence in theta state. Guess who else is in theta state all of the time?


Laurin: Little [00:43:00] kids.


Allison: Little kids.


Laurin: Wow.


Allison: Up until they're about seven or eight. They're always in theta state and they are always playing.


Laurin: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.


Allison: Right? So, there's a big, there's a big ticket here, right?


Laurin: Yeah. Yeah.


Allison: Where we are always channeling.


Laurin: Yes.


Allison: And, and we're playing in different ways. Yes, we've grown up, we're, we're not necessarily going to go play with toy dinosaurs.


Laurin: Right.


Allison: Although sometimes I do.


Laurin: Yeah.


Allison: It’s part of my pleasure practice is doing whatever I want, but we are going to play on a new level and that's really what I'm really, what I'm excited to share with people.


Laurin: Okay. I can't wait. I'm really looking forward to it. So, let's, we're gonna, we're just about at the end of our time here. Tell, tell the listeners where they can find you and also tell them about the course that you've got starting soon.


Allison: Yes. So, if you would like to get in touch with me, the best way to access me [00:44:00] is through my website. It's allisonholley.com, and I also have a free private community. It is the True Creator Community. You can find the link to that on my website.


Laurin: And we'll have it in the show notes.


Allison: Okay, perfect. I love it. It makes it easier so you don't have to write it all down. And, you know, the course that I have starting in March and this'll be actually the third time that I offer this course, it's called Ecstasy. And in this course, really what I do, it's six weeks long. What we do is we connect that spiritual with the body. We connect it with, you know, our sexual nature.


We learn how to navigate being a sexual being here on earth, knowing that we're spiritual, and how do we connect those two, and I do this through three different ways of helping open that [00:45:00] energy. So, the course involves specific practices which I've channeled and learned over the years, which you can do at any point, right?


So, these are your take home. These are things that you can always have with you. And then I offer teachings around the way that our energy works, new insights, new ways of looking at things so that we can start to let go of those old programs and be authentic to ourselves. And then the third part that I offer is activations.


So, because I am in my ecstatic body, these activations naturally flow through me all the time, and I consciously transmit those activations within the course as well. So, with all of those pieces. People go from feeling really reticent about their sexual energy, not knowing how to get those needs met, or, you know, even people who are very already open in that realm, but they know that there's more for them.


These are really powerful [00:46:00] processes and bringing it all the way into, you know, having energy orgasms. Most people who go through the course, they have some type of energetic orgasm by the end. It's really powerful. And, and also just feeling much more safe and comfortable with our spiritual and sexual natures and moving through the world with that.


You know, we talk about boundaries. We talk about centering ourselves. We talk about our own needs as well. So, it's very much, this course is really catered to people who are really living a spiritual life and also knowing that the body is calling to them.


Laurin: Yeah. Yeah. It's makes perfect sense cuz it's just such a, we have this beautiful vehicle that we, you know, that we're living in.


Allison: Yes.


Laurin: And we're connected to all that wonderfulness around us.


Allison: Yes.


Laurin: And learning to combine those two in one in a harmonious way…


Allison: [00:47:00] Absolutely.


Laurin: Sounds like the perfect situation for, for us humans.


Allison: Yes. Yes, it is. It is. It's like, let's get grounded so we can make magic here.


Laurin: Yeah. Yeah. And grounding is something that I find with almost every one of my clients. I have to teach them how to do that.


Allison: Oh yeah. Trust me. I didn't know either, it's…


Laurin: I didn't either, which is why I can teach it, you know.


Allison: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's so true.


Laurin: Well Allison, this has been everything I knew it would and more. And I really, really just really appreciate your sharing all your wisdom and your experience with us. It's been a real joy and pleasure.


Allison: Oh.


Laurin: Pleasure. And I wanna thank the listeners for being here and I hope that you too have found some really good nuggets of wisdom here in our conversation with Allison Holley. I hope that you'll go check out her, her community. It is free, and there's some cool stuff there. I went and [00:48:00] poked around in it myself and we'll be showing up there regularly. And I hope that you'll join me here next week for another episode of Curiously Wise, Practical Spirituality in Action. In the meantime, stay curious.



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I'm Laurin Wittig. Please join me again next week for another episode of Curiously Wise. From my heart to yours, may your life be filled with love, light, joy, and of course, curiosity.


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