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Transcript Interview Episode with Kristine Ovsepian MA., CHT

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[00:00:00] Kristine: Either we're gonna suffer, struggle through it and kick and scream until we get to that space, or we can just love as we go with faith and trust and that's, that's the difference. Okay. So that's really my book is not just about that. It's mostly about helping individuals, people to understand that we have a choice not to live in fear, but to live in faith and love. And that really it's the choice because we can either, choose our own hell or choose our own heaven.


[00:00:40] Laurin: Hello friends and welcome back to Curiously Wise. I'm Laurin Wittig, your host, and today I have a wonderful guest with me, Kristine Ovsepian, and I'm really looking forward to talking to her. And I think you might learn a lot today. So we're gonna get started in just a second.

Kristine, thank you for joining us. I'm so happy to have you here.


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[00:01:00] Kristine: Thank you for having me.


[00:01:02] Laurin: I'm just gonna tell you a little bit about Kristine to help you get to know her, and then we'll dive into some conversation. At an early age, Kristine heard the call to be of service to humanity. Spending time in nature, praying and meditating, guided her to where she is today.


Her journey of permanent positive change guided her towards hypnotherapy, spirituality, and embracing her intuitive gifts. Her goal is to demystify spirituality and intuition and use it in everyday life and to help people to understand how the universe speaks to you all the time.


So, this is, this is my wheelhouse. This is what I love to talk about. So, thank you. Thank you for bringing this into our conversation today, into our energy today. So let's start with something that intrigued me from your bio there. Let's talk about this mystifying spiritual and intuition.

And, can you demystify it for us a little bit?


[00:01:57] Kristine: Yes, of course. I did this every day with my clients. And 13 years ago when I started this journey, everything felt so far, intuition felt so far, trusting ourselves felt so far, and mysticism it was like, ooh, oh, don't, don't go there. Don't do that.


13 years ago when I really was in hypnotherapy school and I would talk to doctors and talk to them about, you know, and they said, well, where do you go to school? What do you do? And then when I became a hypnotherapist, and I would say hypnotherapist, up until good until 2012, people were still not very comfortable with hypnotherapy.


And they would always be like, oh, that scares me. Kristine, don't. And that's the thing of throughout you know, hundreds of years of, of the witch hunts and this and that. We've been pushed towards the logical, the ego brain, the reptilian brain, the brain that is still cave men, women, and is always on fight, flight, or freeze mode.


And we forgot, how mystical that we are, and we've always been and will always be. So, a lot of times when my clients come to me and they say, oh my God, you're so intuitive. I wish I could be like you. I, I always say to them, you are like me. We're all like each other when we are born. The first five years at least of our lives is the most magical time of our lives because we're so connected to our mystical, metaphysical, spiritual intuitive selves.


That's why children are so happy. That's why children are carefree. That's why children are so honest about everything. And then we take them and mold them into our society, into our world, into religion, into politics, into this, into that, into schools. And that mystical part of us just slowly tends to go away.


It's rarely that some, you know, my clients would come or the average person out that would be like, oh, my mom was there spiritual, and she raised me spiritual, and I raised my children spiritual as well. And to me it's, it's demystifying. It is, is just remembering that we’ve always been intuitive beings. We've always been, you know, I don't wanna call it psychic, but we always, always know about everything past, present, and future.


It's all within ourselves, but the average person forgot who they are and they're constantly seeking for someone else to validate them by going to psychics and tarot readings and this. And, but at the same time, again, where I'm not saying we're all gonna become astrologers, psychic and, and, you know, tarot card readers at, at the same time, yes.


Do we go to these individuals or even my clients coming to me with hypnotherapy to remember who they are? I always tell my clients my mission with you, my guidance to you is to remember who you are and remembering who we are is that we are mystical and we're magical and we're powerful and we're, we're resilient beings.


Just because we're in the flesh does not mean we're just human. We're spirit of beings having a human experience. And so just to demystify that is to remember who we are. Yeah. There's not else that we need to do and to realize that it's not that some people in the world have the magic and are gifted.


I'm being told that every day by my clients, you're so gifted. I go, so are you. You just need to give permission to remember and trust. Trust me. 13 years ago, when I used to get into my recliner to meditate before my client, I used to physically hit myself in my forehead into my third eye. I say open. Open.


It's not that it wasn't open, it's just that I wasn't trusting. Yeah. And the moment I started sharing information and messages that would come through, and my clients always ask me, why do you say they? Why do you say spirit. I go, because that's the way I can explain it. Like the higher stuff, the divine voice, the whatever we call it is the same thing.


It's our inner higher consciousness that knows everything. Even yesterday, I was, after the moment I was taking one of my clients into hypnosis, a message, very strong message, suddenly came through that said, you need to talk to her about her mercury fillings because this individual has brain tumor. Oh. And, and when we came out of the hypnosis, I said, my love, do you possibly have mercury fillings?


She said, yes, I do. And I said, you need to get those out. Like those are the kind of beings that we are, that our intuition is communicating with us all the time is just, do we trust it? Do we listen to it? Cause we're so stuck in our conscious heads, that chatter and the clutter. Gotta do this, I gotta do that.

I'm fighting with ourselves, fighting with another person in our brains. We don't quiet down enough to remember who we are and what we're about. And that's what really demystifying it is, is just remembering that we all have it and we're all gifted. I hope that answers the question.


[00:06:54] Laurin: Yeah, no, that's great. And it's that, that piece of it that you just mentioned, that getting quiet, I know that I have a seriously loud interior voice, that it's ego, you know, it's, I, it's much better now, but it used to be really loud and it would be mean. You're not doing this; you don't get anything. You're not worthy, blah, blah, blah.


And it was only through learning to meditate and creating a real practice out of that, that I got quiet enough to realize that I had things I could do. There are gifts that, you know, I'm an energy healer and I get those same intuitive hits that you talk about and I get the same question, where does that come from?


It's like, well, the universe, you know, sometimes it feels like big sound. Your grandmother stepped in. You know, there's all kinds of different ways it comes, but it's basically just from the universe. And, and I use the same kind of terminology of, you know, they say, or what I'm getting is, you know, cuz it's not, it's not my voice when I'm sharing those.


Now, I do have a lot of my own higher self that I talk to these days and that took, that took a lot of it still takes requires trust that I am hearing what I'm supposed to be hearing and I'm not just making up stuff. So a lot of ways you can learn that. Go ahead.


[00:08:19] Kristine: And oftentimes my clients ask me, how do I know what voice to trust? It's very simple. Our higher self will never be judgmental, will never be fearful, will never force us, will never be negative. It's all about love, guidance through love, and it always feels good in the gut. And then the ego is always fear based, limited, judgmental, and all the other nasty negative things that the ego do.


[00:08:52] Laurin: I just, I have to add this for ego because I, I was going through some old notes of mine this morning, and I don't know why I was drawn to it, but I have a big, a big note in there written in handwriting that ego equals earth guide only. And I thought, I have no idea where that came from, but I thought, that's brilliant. I gotta remember that. Because the ego is about keeping us safe.


[00:09:13] Kristine: Yes.


[00:09:15] Laurin: Physical form, you know, don't touch the fire, you'll get burned. Okay. You know, that's the ego taking care of you. And we do need that. But we do, we identify so strongly with that instead of allowing ourselves to identify with the fullness of who we really are.


[00:09:30] Kristine: Absolutely, and I always explain that to my clients as well. There's two types of ego. There's the one that is keeping us safe, the healthy ego, and then there's the unhealthy ego that always turns everything into a drama, negativity. Why you can't do it, why you're not worthy to do it, why don't you don't deserve it?


That's the ego we're talking about because a lot of my male clients challenge me on that, but me having my ego gets me to da da. Success. I'm talking about the unhealthy ego, the one that is keeping you in fear not to travel to your business meetings and this and that because you're afraid of flying.

That's holding back, that's the unhealthy ego. So absolutely. Even the ego has multiple faces and the healthy one protects us on this planet. Of course. Because it knows it's temporary and it knows that, that it can hurt, get hurt. It's not like the soul, it's not immortal. It is mortal. And so we're talking about the unhealthy ego, the one that limits us, that controls us.


That is the voice of a lot of many other people from our childhood to the present that you can't, you won't, you don't deserve it. But you know, whatever else that voice does. That's the ego we're talking about. It's the reptilian brain.


[00:10:44] Laurin: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I've never heard it divided that way before and that, that makes a lot of sense to me. Because there's definitely times where we do need that ego looking after us.


[00:10:54] Kristine: Right. Of course.


[00:10:55] Laurin: So often, especially I know in my experience so much of that ugly language, I'll say unfun language that you know, that we beat ourselves up with. It comes from other people,


[00:11:07] Kristine: Of course.


[00:11:07] Laurin: I pick it up. I believe it now because they heard it so often. It must be true. And that's been a lot of my healing journey is to sort of unpack that and go, oh, I know who said that to me the first time, and that's not true. Maybe it's not true anymore. Maybe it never was true, but and that's how I've sort of also begun to understand that. Like you say, that ego brain that ego voice is mean. The one that's not doing us good. And then we beat ourselves up with it.


[00:11:35] Kristine: Yeah. And because our brain does not realize reality from fiction, whatever you repeat it is through repetition. Oftentimes my client ask me, how is it that hypnosis works? I go, because in every session that we do hypnosis, for 30 minutes, I am repeating, loving, empowering suggestions to you.


That's how it works, we're literally injecting positivity and getting you back to remembering who you are and really undoing and reprogramming cause our brain is so powerful. It's just waiting for information to come for it to believe. Cuz it doesn't judge, it doesn't realize reality from fiction.

It doesn't judge from good to bad. It just says repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat. So, if we're little girls and we're told you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't. You grow up feeling this small and unworthy and you can't, you can't finish anything. You can't complete anything. You can't succeed at anything.


But then if you're raised with, you can absolutely, you're beautiful. You can do anything. You can be anything from boys to girls, it does not matter. Then power to succeed from childhood and on. But the power of the men is also in the fact that the moment we realize something, some believe some. You know, experience or anything, whatever the voice that may be is no longer serving us.

We have the power to reprogram and change that no matter how old we are.


[00:13:02] Laurin: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.


[00:13:03] Kristine: No matter how old, even though when they say, you learn old dogs don't learn new, new tricks, it's that's not true.


[00:13:08] Laurin: That's not true.


[00:13:10] Kristine: Those are new tricks. They can, and so with our mind, we can reprogram. We just need to be willing. Right. I have a flexible mind and not a rigid mind. Yes. That's all it takes.


[00:13:23] Laurin: Yeah. Flexibility is an interesting concept because I think our culture has gotten very rigid. And, and so being able to be flexible first in your thinking, first in your brain, in yourself is such a gift you give to yourself, but it's ultimately, it's gonna be a gift you give to everybody because it, it will be modeling that, that flexibility for others. And we need that. We need that a lot.


[00:13:50] Kristine: I agree.


[00:13:51] Laurin: So are there any tools other than meditation that you have used to learn to trust that inner voice that's your higher self?


[00:14:00] Kristine: Yes, of course meditation is a wonderful tool, but there are many other tools, right?

Hypnotherapy allows my clients to, you know, raise their vibration and listen to that inner voice more and quiet the ego. I can't tell you how many text messages and calls I get from my clients going, oh my God, Kristine, what is this? I feel empty. I go, that's not emptiness, that's peace. And they go, Yeah, you're right.


My brain is not hundred miles an hour anymore. That is peace. I go, that's returning to yourself. So hypnotherapy is a wonderful tool to permanently make the shift and changes on subconscious level.

And then of course there's breath work. You know, breathwork techniques. Pranayama breathwork is a powerful technique to like clear, clear, clear the mind, the left brain, the right brain, and it literally aligns your energy centers, aligns your mind and body. It's like 20 years of therapy without talking.


Journaling is another wonderful tool too. I always tell my clients have two journals. The negative, venting, purging journal is never to be kept, which means you only and only do it on loose pieces of paper. You do not write anything down in the journal, right that is negative because people, people just gather all this information and everything is energy.


Now, I can't tell you how many times I find out that my clients have been holding onto their journals for 10 years, 14 years, and what is the point of that? Why do you carry that baggage with you everywhere you go, everything you do, every move you made, you just box it up and take it with you. Even my positive journals, when I recently moved, I looked at them and I smiled and I said, I'm so very grateful for all this positive energy.


But I surrendered it and recycled it away and I said, Return back to earth. And I know I'm getting the blessings from it. Even the positive ones, but I'd rather for, you know, anybody, everybody that is journaling have a beautiful journal dedicated to your gratitude. And it could simply mean today I was laid to work and I got green lines.


It doesn't matter. People think gratitude has to be okay. Grateful for my home and my car, and blah, blah, blah, and it gets boring. No, it's about anything positive that happens in the day. Being grateful for it. And really before we go to bed, really acknowledging that, what do you think you were gonna attract to ourselves?


More gratitude. Mm-hmm. Cause as a magnet for miracles. So living in gratitude attracts more gratitude. Right. So that's my guidance of always keeping the gratitude journal close to you. And getting rid of the negative purging of the journaling because that vents and then that creates. I see. Because you, you get rid of it.


Because the point is a lot of people have the mistake, make the mistake of just affirming, oh, I affirm positive things, but I always tell them, you can have a beautiful crystal-clear base filled with trash. You can add all the cream and sugar on top of that. There's still trash underneath inside. You have to take the trash out so that you can put those positive and sweet layers in, otherwise it's not gonna hold, it's just gonna overflow.


So it's about really clearing the junk before we put the positivity in. So that, that's why a lot of times people get into trouble of, you know, why don't my affirmation stick? Why don't I have this? Why can't I manifest that? Well, because we haven't worked through the, the, the challenges and the obstacles and beliefs and the stories.


There's so much in the subconscious mind. Yeah. And once we do that, then we're able to, every manifestation just very quickly sticks. Like glue.


[00:17:44] Laurin: Yeah. Yeah. So there's another place where I hadn't thought of separating the negative, the get the crap out of your head. Journaling from the gratitude.


I had a great day, whatever it is. Journal. I'm a big fan of journaling, of getting it out of your body, out on paper where you can see what it. And you can choose, I accept this. I don't accept this. And I often will tell my clients who are journalers, not all of them are open to journaling, but I'll say, you know, take the crap, tear it out of your journal and burn it in a ceremony.


[00:18:16] Kristine: That's right.


[00:18:16] Laurin: Let it go with love. You know, even if you don't feel love about what actually happened, let those pieces of paper burn up with love and it's returning it to the earth and it's, it's allowing that to be a blessing, and a gift.


[00:18:29] Kristine: Yeah. But you know, oftentimes people are, I don't wanna say addicted, but addicted to pain as well.


And they wanna hold onto it because the fear is if I let it go, I'll get hurt again. I, I, I ask a client this question every time and they go, how did you know that? Because that's how we operate. If I hold onto the pain, I won't get hurt again. But then you're poisoning yourself and hurting every day.


[00:18:54] Laurin: Right.


[00:18:54] Kristine: So what’s the point, right?


[00:18:55] Laurin: Yeah.


[00:18:56] Kristine: It's better to let it go. And I always say, even when it comes to letting go of the stuff, it's there's two layers to it. There's the forgiveness aspect and then the forgetting aspect. The forgiveness is for you, your own freedom. The forgetting is you can still remember that that person hurt you and learn the lessons from it.


You don't have to be resentful and angry and not forgiving. You can forgive to cut the cords to free yourself. I do this work with my clients every single day. This is the first step of the healing that I do with my clients. Physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, because the body keeps score as well as the mind keep scores.


And so having said that, healing and forgiving and forgiveness does not mean, oh, thank you for hurting me. No, no. It's a process that I take my clients through hypnosis and the coaching and the exercises that I give them, but at the same time, it's about when I forgive, I free myself from those shackles.


Forget so that I don't let anyone else or that individual or that situation to hurt me again, but there is no emotional charge. The forgiving is about releasing the emotional charge that pains us and makes us cry and makes us feel like, oh, what is wrong with me? There's nothing wrong with us. We're just trying to navigate being human in this, on this planet, in this existence, experience.


[00:20:21] Laurin: Yeah. What I say to my clients, cuz most of my clients come in because they have some physical pain. There's always some story behind it, some trauma, some you know, sometimes past life stuff. But I say you get to let go of the pain, but you get to keep the wisdom.


[00:20:36] Kristine: That's right.


[00:20:37] Laurin: Because we're here to learn. We're here to have experiences and learn from them. You don't wanna give that juicy piece of, of learning away, but you don't have to carry the pain with you. You can.


[00:20:46] Kristine: That's right.


[00:20:47] Laurin: You can acknowledge it. I call it revealing it.


[00:20:49] Kristine: Yes.


[00:20:49] Laurin: And we process it. We release it. And then you can transform your life after that.


[00:20:55] Kristine: Right? That's right. Exactly. And it will never happen again. But what we're hurting, hurt people. Hurt people and they're constantly encouraged. Because they're constantly being called to recreate that story, that experience, because they haven't learned from it. And that's the process.

When people get into patterns, that's the saddest part that in those patterns is the fact that why we haven't learned. Because the learning is the letting go, the forgiving, the freeing the self. And if we don't, we're gonna keep attracting people's situations, experiences to keep us the most pattern because that pattern is not the business is not finished. Yeah. And not complete.


[00:21:35] Laurin: It's somewhat the devil you know, versus the devil you don't kind of feeling too that I'm familiar with this pain. I can manage this pain, but I don't wanna open myself up to more of it or to some other pain.


Yeah. We don't have to be in pain. We don't have to be in pain. If we get it, especially if I find with the body, if it's in your body now as physical pain, you've been ignoring it for a while. Usually, you have other signs that you need to, to work through something and if you're not paying attention to it or you are just stuffing it.


Women particularly like stuff it into our hips. Don't know why, but that's where it goes. Process here.

[00:22:13] Kristine: Yes. Absolutely. Because it only becomes physical because it wasn't work through, and it shows up in the physical to get your attention.


[00:22:20] Laurin: Right. Right. Because when we're in physical pain, you can't ignore it.


[00:22:26] Kristine: Mm-hmm. That's when start really putting energy in and. I mean, I went that path myself. I mean, I manifested emotionally a whole nervous system issue in my right arm when I was in. And it was all emotional and I was in pain every day. I couldn't even hold a single pan, but I created that because I wasn't working through all my emotional stuff.


And the moment I started working through it with the work that I do with my clients on myself, cause I realized in healing myself, I heal others and in healing others, I heal myself. All of it went away. And then we’re supposed to do surgery on my arm and opened me up multiple places. To nerve. Yeah, the nerve, but it never happened. Because it needs to happen.


[00:23:13] Laurin: Right.


[00:23:14] Kristine: And I listened to my inner voice and I canceled the surgery last minute.



[00:23:19] Laurin: Yeah. Good. Yeah. Yeah. I think, yeah, it's a very important thing to take responsibility for your own health too. And I think some of that, it comes in here with if, if you don't pay attention and say, okay, why not?


Why is this happening to me? But why is this here for me? Which opens up a curiosity door, which allows you to start digging in and thinking about, you know, what is causing this. And, and that way we actually prevent ourselves from having to go into surgeries or take lots of medications or have mental health issues that we don't have to carry with us.


And that self-responsibility is, is where the healing starts. Where you can go, I dunno what's going on. I need help, you know?


[00:23:59] Kristine: Yeah, exactly. Yes.


[00:24:03] Laurin: All right. I know that you have a book you've written. Yes. And it's called Living Through Choice. Ooh, there it is. Okay. It's got a beautiful blue cover. For those of you who are audio only, we will have it linked in the show notes.


Tell us a little bit about that. I actually know nothing about it. I've seen the cover and that's all I've seen.


[00:24:23] Kristine: This book I wrote years ago, and it was basically the beginning of not only my realization of we have a choice in our lives. We, through our choices, we can create our reality. Yes. So we're to have our destiny as well.


That our soul has chosen a specific major component of our lives. And even if we try to get away from it, we can't because that's our mission in this lifetime and that those are the choices that we've made before we incarnated into the physical body. Overall, on this planet, there's a lot of the choices that we have to even how do we get to the destination, right?


If my dream is to have a home in some part of the world, but close to water. How do I get there? Do I suffer and struggle to get there? Cause eventually that destiny that is mine, that my heart is so connected to, my soul, is so connected to that I can see it in my mind that I can feel it in my mind.


That could be connected to career, to family, children, partner, it doesn't matter. You feel it so deeply and so profoundly inside, but you don't know how to get to it. So there’s minimum two choices. There's many choices, but I'll just talk about two. Either we're gonna suffer, struggle through it and kick and scream until we get to that space, or we can just love as we go with faith and trust and that's, that's the difference.


So that's really my book is not just about that. It's mostly about helping individuals, people to understand that we have a choice not to live in fear, but to live in faith and love. And that really it's the choice because we can either, choose our own hell or choose our own heaven.


And so many, religiously believe that you have to die to go to heaven. I always say, no you don't. Heaven is right here. Yeah. And so you make of it. And those are also our lessons, right? That we're here to learn and remember that we are really incarnated onto this planet to bring heaven onto Earth.


[00:26:35] Laurin: Mm-hmm.


[00:26:36] Kristine: You're not to live hell here, and then go up to heaven or whatever it is. So at the end of the day, that's really the main goal and point of my book. But on another level, it's also my crying out because in the beginning I noticed how much pain and suffering there is in humanity. Mm-hmm. And mine was any individual that comes across my book to realize, listen, there are other ways, there are other tools.


There is quicker, easier, simpler way of freeing yourself from fear, freeing yourself from pain, freeing yourself from suffering, and here they are.


[00:27:16] Laurin: Mm-hmm.


[00:27:17] Kristine: So it's in my experience and my client's experiences and the modalities that I work with, from past life regression therapy to hypnotherapy, to EFT, to, to the tools and techniques that I studied and I learned that saved me and my clients, I wanted to share it because not everybody knows where Kristina is and what she's doing.


Obvious. Internet, but up until 12, 13 years ago, the internet and social media was not as big as it is today. Right. Yeah. I said in whatever form or way that I can share to let people know, because there's no excuse of why anyone on this planet needs to feel like there's no other way. No one loves me, no one cares, and I need to end my life.


[00:27:59] Laurin: Yeah.


[00:27:59] Kristine: That's the biggest, I don't wanna say fight, but, but, I don't even know what the word is. My, my ability to, in whatever form of way that I can share this information for. So I don't hear that story ever again. Cause I hear it from my clients the other day, one of my clients, when she first started working with me, she said, Kristine, if it wasn't for you, I would not be here.


And I don't take that as, oh my God, I have so much responsibility. I take that as I'm here to love you and show you that there is so much love around you.


[00:28:38] Laurin: Mm-hmm.


[00:28:39] Kristine: You deserve to be here, That you have a mission here, that you have a purpose here. And that same person in one of our sessions shared that a friend of hers that she spoke with two days prior, two days later, he ended his life.


And he could have been saved. Yeah. And he was an amazing person, successful person. That's There's no reason why that needs the choice ever. Yeah. Because we are here for a reason. It's just when we get lost and there's no one to show what's back to our mission, our truth, we just feel like this is life. But that's not life.