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Transcript Interview Episode with Xandra Hawes

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[00:00:00] Xandra: Trusting the part of us that's been through a lot and actually is gonna make it through in a way. So I think of soul essence as almost this deep wise part of ourselves that has lived a lot, that has been through a lot. And when we tap into that and we're more aware of it and it becomes our internal compass, we stop getting lost in the thought loops of like, is this true?

Is it not true?


[00:00:27] Laurin: Hello, friends and welcome to Curiously Wise. I'm Laurin Wittig. I'm your host. and I have Xandra Hawes with me today. Xandra is a licensed professional counselor and a psychic medium in Boulder, Colorado, a place I've always wanted to visit. Her professional work is centered on helping empaths and sensitive people heal themselves and connect with their soul essence in an embodied way. Outside of her work, you can find her communing with the plants in her garden, making herbal teas or adventuring in the mountains near her home with her family.


Welcome. Xandra.


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[00:01:01] Xandra: Oh, thank you so much Laurin for having me.


[00:01:04] Laurin: I'm so glad to have you here. I'm just excited to talk to you. I have a ton of questions for you


[00:01:09] Xandra: Woo.


[00:01:10] Laurin: So we're gonna, we're gonna dive right in. You've got a psychology degree and you work with people spiritually. And I'm really curious how you bring those two together.

They seem like a good match to me, but I have no psychology background. So talk to us a little bit about that.


[00:01:27] Xandra: Well, it's interesting cuz psychology is such a young field, right? Even some of the roots of psychology can be really how do I say this? Conflictual or…


[00:01:36] Laurin: Yes,


[00:01:37] Xandra: Like where psychology sort of grew out of in a way. But what I love is that throughout the world, there are so many ways that the terms and the theories and the metaphors in psychology have been ancient knowledge for lifetimes and lifetimes.


And I think one of the easiest examples is as more and more people are looking in the psychology world, their families, right? Or a lot more people are using the word trauma, sometimes like little t trauma, right? Or big t trauma to kind of describe how our nervous system is kind of wired depending on our experiences.


And you have different shamonic or more earth based paganistic traditions around the world that have always had ways to describing trauma or they might say soul loss, right? Like in psychology people will say, oh I got really scared or upset and I dissociated. I kind of left my body.


Or I wasn't there. grounded. I have shamonic traditions that will talk about doing soul retrievals cuz a piece of the soul leaves in order to remain safe. So there's really amazing as we start studying and seeing the ways that we describe sort of the nervous system or some of the ways emotionally that we go through difficult things, there are completely parallel ways that different spiritual cultures again have known this.


Especially a lot of indigenous knowledge has known this for a long time. And I think as you heard or as you said in my bio, plants are such a big medicine for that too. And it feels like in the psychology realm, there's a lot more around not just the mind, the somatic, the energy body, the nutrition, right.


All kind of holistic sort of piece. So the intersection for me is not only the mental body, but definitely the physical body, the etheric body, the spiritual, all that kind of stuff. A lot more of a holistic place coming in. And even on a weekly basis, I'll have people reach out and say things like, yeah, you know, I'm having a spiritual awakening.


I can sense things. I can see things, but I have so much anxiety that I don't know how to trust it.


[00:03:37] Laurin: Right,


[00:03:38] Xandra: So there's a way to be like, how do we run your energy body in a way where you can have that spiritual information, but you trust yourself, right? And you're grounded sort of in it. So it's a really cool intersection about how to work.


[00:03:50] Laurin: Yeah. It's, it's fascinating. I, I kind of wish I had studied psychology in college. I have anthropology, so I had the cultural understanding. So that's cool. Psychology seems like such a good match for this kind of healing work that is holistic. I love how you put that too, because it is mind, body, spirit, energy, all of it is energy.


I mean, we are electrical beings. Yeah. If our heart doesn't have the right electrical charge, it stops. That's it. And that's one of the ways that I like to explain to people that everything is electricity, everything is energy and that's what's holding us together.


And if it's what's holding us together, then why aren't we paying more attention to that?


[00:04:30] Xandra: Right.


[00:04:31] Laurin: You know?


[00:04:31] Xandra: Right.


[00:04:31] Laurin: Yeah, so it’s fascinating to me how we're bringing in sort of the Western world education and reconnecting it back to this ancient wisdom, and combining the two, cuz they're very complimentary. That's fascinating.


One of the things that you mentioned in your bio is soul essence. So what do you mean by that? How can you describe that for us?


[00:04:55] Xandra: Oh, man. I love the term soul essence, because, and again, I'm a weaver. I weave so many different traditions together and I'm so nerdy. I'm always studying, like trying to eat up like, oh, here's an overlap here. Here's an overlap. So you hear me kind of pull almost like I'm fishing. Like…


[00:05:13] Laurin: I call it being a jazz musician. I mean, that’s how I describe mine.


[00:05:15] Xandra: Ooh, I love that.


[00:05:17] Laurin: It's kind of like being a jazz musician. You you've got all these things that you've learned and you just pull on which one works best in this moment.


[00:05:24] Xandra: Oh my God. It's such a good visual. I love that. Definitely classier than fishing. I mean


[00:05:29] Laurin: I Don't like fishing. So…


[00:05:32] Xandra: Oh man.